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Is it my impression, based on what I've read online (in this forum and in other sources) and what I've heard from around, that Argentina and Uruguay have rather low murder rates (at least for Latin American countries) but rather high violent/property crime rates (that keep on rising year after year)?
The people are not violent but culturally have a very different idea about theft. As in, if you aren't taking good care of it, it is OK to walk off with it and give it a better home. It's also OK to take it if you are better off and can afford to lose it to someone who is less well off.
The people are not violent but culturally have a very different idea about theft. As in, if you aren't taking good care of it, it is OK to walk off with it and give it a better home. It's also OK to take it if you are better off and can afford to lose it to someone who is less well off.
No, a big NO. Theft is wrong, never OK, despicable, punishable, etc., here.
Where did you get such idea from??
On topic, it's probable that non-murder crime rates don't correlate with murder rates, so that their figures would be closer (or at least not a fraction) to the ones from countries where murder rates are twice, three times, four times as large as Argentina's or Uruguay's, but I can't be sure...
The people are not violent but culturally have a very different idea about theft. As in, if you aren't taking good care of it, it is OK to walk off with it and give it a better home. It's also OK to take it if you are better off and can afford to lose it to someone who is less well off.
This is exactly right. It's a cultural issue, including a socialistic mindset. If you leave something outside your gate there, most of them would feel totally justified taking it from you, even more so if you're a person of any means. Ask Argentines who have come to the US and they'll tell you the same thing. They can't believe one can leave an unsecured bicycle in the front yard for an hour, or that FedEx would actually leave a package unattended outside someone's apartment door.
This is exactly right. It's a cultural issue, including a socialistic mindset. If you leave something outside your gate there, most of them would feel totally justified taking it from you, even more so if you're a person of any means. Ask Argentines who have come to the US and they'll tell you the same thing. They can't believe one can leave an unsecured bicycle in the front yard for an hour, or that FedEx would actually leave a package unattended outside someone's apartment door.
The fact that those Argentines can't believe one can leave an unsecured bicycle in the front yard for an hour is because they can't believe no thieves are around(*) with the intention of grabbing the bicycle. Not because they themselves would be willing to grab it if they found it in someone else's front yard.
As Mhc1985 said, where did you get such an idea? You're too quick to jump to conclusions.
(*)Anyaways, I don't think this is true absolutely anywhere in the US, but that is for another topic.
The fact that those Argentines can't believe one can leave an unsecured bicycle in the front yard for an hour is because they can't believe no thieves are around(*) with the intention of grabbing the bicycle. Not because they themselves would be willing to grab it if they found it in someone else's front yard.
Exactly. They didn't realize that, unlike Argentina, they're now in a country/culture where a majority of the people won't steal, even if given an easy opportunity. Then they immediately remembered it as another good reason they came to the US.
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As Mhc1985 said, where did you get such an idea? You're too quick to jump to conclusions.
I'm not jumping to any conclusions. My ideas are based on my experience and reality.
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(*)Anyaways, I don't think this is true absolutely anywhere in the US, but that is for another topic.
I'm not sure what you're referring to. No one in America leaves their bicycle unsecured in their front yard?
Exactly. They didn't realize that, unlike Argentina, they're now in a country/culture where a majority of the people won't steal, even if given an easy opportunity. Then they immediately remembered it as another good reason they came to the US.I'm not jumping to any conclusions. My ideas are based on my experience and reality.I'm not sure what you're referring to. No one in America leaves their bicycle unsecured in their front yard?
I'm just saying, there may be places in the US where people are afraid to leave the bicycles unsecured in their front yards.
And anyway,
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Exactly. They didn't realize that, unlike Argentina, they're now in a country/culture where a majority of the people won't steal, even if given an easy opportunity.
Hehe, you're trying to say that the majority of people in Argentina will steal if given the opportunity? No, man. I acknowledge we have a problem with crime but to imply that the majority of Argentines are willing to steal if given the chance is too much. Of course it's not true.
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I'm not jumping to any conclusions. My ideas are based on my experience and reality.
On your experience, yes. On reality... well, you would have to do a very large study and research to at least reach a conclusion more or les representative of reality.
The fact that those Argentines can't believe one can leave an unsecured bicycle in the front yard for an hour is because they can't believe no thieves are around(*) with the intention of grabbing the bicycle. Not because they themselves would be willing to grab it if they found it in someone else's front yard.
Actually, it's rather a thing of people from the big cities versus people from little towns. If you live in a little town in Argentina, you can keep stuff unattended. You can't do that in Buenos Aires, and people from Buenos Aires often points out this when travelling to the lesser towns. Not like this is a rare thing among other big cities and little towns around the world.
Anyway, the idea of robbery as something acceptable in Argentina if you are poor is plain false, and one of the most idiotic things I've read on these forums. It feels like some people come from a parallel world or just want to imagine a parallel reality that supports their preconceived ideas. It's weird...
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