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You ignored the question in #195 so i'll ask it again.
So the Hindu religious texts are true?
I'd like to see him answer that too. I'd like to see if he stands on his principles. But let's not stop with Hindu religious texts. All the Buddhist texts, too.
I'd like to see him answer that too. I'd like to see if he stands on his principles. But let's not stop with Hindu religious texts. All the Buddhist texts, too.
...and the Zoroastrian texts. All older than his Bible. As he appears to be claiming that longevity equals truth, lets see if he agrees. Mind you! He's run away from everything else that I've asked. I see no reason why he won't run from this.
I am not representing that church's perspective, but more the perspective of John Dominic Crossan and other liberal Christians. But I respect the people in the evangelical churches, especially if their attendance in the fire and brimstone sermons gives them the ability to have the same attitude that you have without that. I would think that you would them there in those churches if that is what works for them.
I know that you are not representing that church's perspectives any more than I am - whatever you meant by the same attitude that I have. Pardon me, I will tell you what attitude I have; you don't tell me. What I am saying is that you and I share a rejection of such views and values and we should be working together to ensure that they do not get imposed on the whole USA.
Instead you are battling us because you see a value in the religion and the holy book that in fact you don't really believe but apparently have an emotional attachment to.
I have something of an emotional attachment to Buddhism, but I do not want a Buddhist UK. I want a secular humanist UK.
...and the Zoroastrian texts. All older than his Bible. As he appears to be claiming that longevity equals truth, lets see if he agrees. Mind you! He's run away from everything else that I've asked. I see no reason why he won't run from this.
Good answer. You deserve a cracker.
So I guess now you guys are saying that it's okay if other people ridicule Hindu and Buddhist texts. Anything else you say will make you look like an idiot.
I know that you are not representing that church's perspectives any more than I am - whatever you meant by the same attitude that I have. Pardon me, I will tell you what attitude I have; you don't tell me. What I am saying is that you and I share a rejection of such views and values and we should be working together to ensure that they do not get imposed on the whole USA.
Instead you are battling us because you see a value in the religion and the holy book that in fact you don't really believe but apparently have an emotional attachment to.
I have something of an emotional attachment to Buddhism, but I do not want a Buddhist UK. I want a secular humanist UK.
If you find lots of truth in something that is different than an emotional attachment. I don't know why you don't understand that.
So I guess now you guys are saying that it's okay if other people ridicule Hindu and Buddhist texts. Anything else you say will make you look like an idiot.
Of course it is ok to ridicule Hindu and Buddhist texts. Why wouldn’t it be?
You seem to have some vague thought that atheism is specifically anti-christian. It isn’t. It is, quite literally, without theism, which means atheists are not adherents of any system or structure of god-belief. Therefore, Hindu claims are just as silly as Christian claims. Insert any other religion into that phrase if you like, and you will begin to understand atheism.
Of course it is ok to ridicule Hindu and Buddhist texts. Why wouldn’t it be?
You seem to have some vague thought that atheism is specifically anti-christian. It isn’t. It is, quite literally, without theism, which means atheists are not adherents of any system or structure of god-belief. Therefore, Hindu claims are just as silly as Christian claims. Insert any other religion into that phrase if you like, and you will begin to understand atheism.
I believe there is only one mysterious God. So even Thor was just a human idea which was about the same God. So no, I don't understand the ridicule of any idea of God, even one that no one believes in anymore due to the evolution of society.
I believe there is only one mysterious God. So even Thor was just a human idea which was about the same God. So no, I don't understand the ridicule of any idea of God, even one that no one believes in anymore due to the evolution of society.
It's more the ridicule of many of the beliefs and the excuses of dumb or terrible stuff by the believers of any of those Gods.
Why should I respect a belief that goes entirely not only against all evidence to the contrary but defies all physical laws of science. For example those using river flood myths or even a flood event from the 16 or 17 hundreds to claim proof for Noah's flood? Why respect claims that there religion is not only true but peaceful when the history shows that the only reason the region is as popular as it is is because it was spread by the sword? Looking at you Islam and Christianity.
Why respect notions that subjugated other people? Why respect those that use religion to control politics, discriminate against women, gays, handicap folks etc. And if we do not believe in a God why should we excuse these wrong doings as the actions by humans? Anything good was also done by humans.
And more importantly why do you think it is more important for atheists to show respect even though believers not only show little respect for atheists but even less respect towards other religions or even worse for other flavors of their own religion.
I also don't understand your consistent need to put down atheism although much less so since you attended that one church.
It's more the ridicule of many of the beliefs and the excuses of dumb or terrible stuff by the believers of any of those Gods.
Why should I respect a belief that goes entirely not only against all evidence to the contrary but defies all physical laws of science. For example those using river flood myths or even a flood event from the 16 or 17 hundreds to claim proof for Noah's flood? Why respect claims that there religion is not only true but peaceful when the history shows that the only reason the region is as popular as it is is because it was spread by the sword? Looking at you Islam and Christianity.
Why respect notions that subjugated other people? Why respect those that use religion to control politics, discriminate against women, gays, handicap folks etc. And if we do not believe in a God why should we excuse these wrong doings as the actions by humans? Anything good was also done by humans.
And more importantly why do you think it is more important for atheists to show respect even though believers not only show little respect for atheists but even less respect towards other religions or even worse for other flavors of their own religion.
I also don't understand your consistent need to put down atheism although much less so since you attended that one church.
What have you done specifically for women, gays, or handicap people?
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