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After thinking about this while taking Mr Yap for his morning walk, I find those who say we are here to stop religion, we are militant, anti-religious, scarred, seeking revenge, and all the other silly excuses are simply attacking because they have no credible evidence for their beliefs.
This is a charge that is made weekly, if not almost daily, by some christian and even a warped atheist. So for the rest of us atheists, is that your goal -- to "stop" or "end" religion?
If people are smart, then they would realize that science is what enables us to understand the universe and supernatural beliefs are basically nonsense.
So, in that sense, yes I think religion should end. Why should people continue to believe in things that have no proof or evidence? Religion has probably outlived whatever usefulness it once had.
However, that is not to say I support the idea of persecuting people who choose to believe in God. Certainly not.
I don't want to promote ending religion, I believe people should be free to do as they wish. I also fully recognize both the PROs and CONs religion has brought to humanity.
I think many people do better coping when they have religion, no reason to deprive them, but I do hope humanity evolves so that is less needed.
As said, many positives have resulted, in addition to the atrocities and general obnoxiousness associated with some religions, much human aid, development of art, architecture, libraries (albeit lop-sided), poetry, and benevolencehas also been accelerated by religion.
I do think human learning would also be accelerated by the abandonment of religion, because religions have the overtone of suppressing curiosity, and therefore pursuit of knowledge.
Religion is NOT harmful in all cases.
But there are more than enough documented cases to demonstrate that religion CAN in fact harm innocent people.
Religion is not harmful.
People who are disobeying the religion are really causing the harm.
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Originally Posted by Kermorvan
No.
But I wouldn't miss fundamentalist or socially backward (anti-science, racist, anti-gay, etc.) religion if it went away.
So God's will is "socially backward"??? Or is the social will religiously backward - sliding into sin?
Religion is not anti-science except in the minds of atheists who think science can disprove religion (it can't). I am religious and I am not anti-science. I am a scientist. Some pseudosciences are anti-religion.
There is nothing racist in the Bible. On the contrary, God repeatedly says that the same law applies to everyone equally.
God does prohibit all sex that is not sex in heterosexual marriage. Such sex is against God's purposes.
The problem is that liberal society is wrongly pro-sin. Sin is the deliberate disobedience of God.
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Originally Posted by ShouldIMoveOrStayPut...?
No "round two" of the Crusades, Spanish Inquisition, Salem Witch Trials, etc...
Note that the people who did these things did them in the name of religion but were disobeying the religion involved.
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Originally Posted by Harry Diogenes
No. My problem is with 1) fundamentalists and 2) bad arguments
What is wrong with fundamentalism??? It is just a requirement that the Scriptures be taken literally.
Those who hate fundamentalism want scriptures to not be literal so they can disobey them.
Note that some people (especially Muslim) say they are fundamentalist when they are actually disobeying the religion or obeying just a small part.
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Originally Posted by BigCityDreamer
If people are smart, then they would realize that science is what enables us to understand the universe and supernatural beliefs are basically nonsense.
So, in that sense, yes I think religion should end. Why should people continue to believe in things that have no proof or evidence? Religion has probably outlived whatever usefulness it once had.
Science and religion do not contradict each other, except in the mind of a religion hater or people using speculative science.
Note that most of the religion haters want to do things that the religion prohibits (e.g. GLBT).
Note that everything that God requires of us has the purpose of keeping other people from being harmed.
And what is your source of information that says that God does not exist. There is no way to prove that something does not exist.
Note that people who do not belong to a religion can not be required to obey that religion.
I want the eternal afterlife. The fact that you don't believe in it does not mean it does not exist.
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I certainly don't want to end it. Christians talk routinely about how if it weren't for religion they would likely go around killing and raping people because they wouldn't have any morals.
I certainly don't want to end it. Christians talk routinely about how if it weren't for religion they would likely go around killing and raping people because they wouldn't have any morals.
I suspect you are joshing, but I would ask what is there that could replace the ubiquitous invisible God as the monitor of otherwise unmonitored human action?
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