Atlanta had the largest urban area growth. (Sandy Springs, Roswell: house, college)

[Saintmarks]

Originally Posted by arjay57

I don't know about that.

The older single family neighborhoods up there are about the same density as say, Grant Park, Reynoldstown, Decatur, Morningside, Kirkwood, Oakhurst, etc.

All of those areas are considerably more dense than much of the south and west side of town.

Yes, there are some, especially between Peachtree and Piedmont... but when I think Buckhead, I think the sprawling acreage estates west of Peachtree all the way to the river and upwards to the city limits at Sandy Springs.... West Paces, Tuxedo Rd, Mt. Paran Rd., Powers Ferry Rd., et al. Same kind of estate lots on north of that into Sandy Springs as well. There are areas in Cascade and southwest Atlanta with huge lots, heavily treed undeveloped tracts... just as spread out and "undense." The City of Atlanta has some of the densest areas in the metro area for sure but at the same time some of the sparsest populated areas. Suburban areas outside Atlanta city proper have by and large much smaller lot sizes than some of these older established areas.

[waronxmas]

Originally Posted by ATLTJL

But you are, in fact, telling people how to live when you say:


So what? It's a degradation to their lives, not to yours. Why do you care so much?


So? If this is correct, then the problem will correct itself organically. If you think it's so unsustainable, just sit back in your easy chair and watch it degrade.

SMH.

Don't worry, no one is going to make you do anything you don't want. It'll take care of itself in the long run. There is no unlimited supply of oil. It'll just keep getting more and more expensive. Those people who live in areas for which there is no other way to survive than without a car, will be "A OK" in the paradise.

[JPD]

Originally Posted by ATLTJL

So what? It's a degradation to their lives, not to yours. Why do you care so much?

I care because I have to work with people who are often stressed out from their 90 minute each way commutes.

[JPD]

Originally Posted by aries4118

For the sake of discussion/understanding/clarity, I would like to see people give their opinions on what they would classify in Metro Atlanta as:

1. Urban - Downtown/Midtown
2. Suburban - Dunwoody
3. Exurban. - Cumming

responses in bold.

[Saintmarks]

Back to the OP: I went on a thread in the General US page that is discussing this exact topic on a national level. Found out from there that Atlanta's added land mass included the Gainesville area now being included in the UA of Atlanta. Interesting as Gainesville is not in the MSA but Cartersville was listed as a new UA and Bartow County is in the MSA.

Making the point because the OP decried more acreage being taken over for Urban development, when a part of what was added was already urbanized, i.e. Gainesville. Gainesville has been a developed area for decades, so it is not like all of the area added was pristine forest mowed down for WalMarts and Home Depots.

[waronxmas]

Originally Posted by Saintmarks

Back to the OP: I went on a thread in the General US page that is discussing this exact topic on a national level. Found out from there that Atlanta's added land mass included the Gainesville area now being included in the UA of Atlanta. Interesting as Gainesville is not in the MSA but Cartersville was listed as a new UA and Bartow County is in the MSA.

Making the point because the OP decried more acreage being taken over for Urban development, when a part of what was added was already urbanized, i.e. Gainesville. Gainesville has been a developed area for decades, so it is not like all of the area added was pristine forest mowed down for WalMarts and Home Depots.

That's exactly why I'm not going any where near the national forums. Too much stupid over there.

[Saintmarks]

Originally Posted by waronxmas

That's exactly why I'm not going any where near the national forums. Too much stupid over there.

Actually that forum had a bunch of statistic geek types that were simply comparing changes in different UA patterns without the local opinions getting in the way, so actually found it refreshing and informative.

[arjay57]

Originally Posted by Saintmarks

Yes, there are some, especially between Peachtree and Piedmont... but when I think Buckhead, I think the sprawling acreage estates west of Peachtree all the way to the river and upwards to the city limits at Sandy Springs.... West Paces, Tuxedo Rd, Mt. Paran Rd., Powers Ferry Rd., et al. Same kind of estate lots on north of that into Sandy Springs as well. There are areas in Cascade and southwest Atlanta with huge lots, heavily treed undeveloped tracts... just as spread out and "undense." The City of Atlanta has some of the densest areas in the metro area for sure but at the same time some of the sparsest populated areas. Suburban areas outside Atlanta city proper have by and large much smaller lot sizes than some of these older established areas.

Well, yeah, some of those areas where the big estates are have low density, but most of central Buckhead is about the same density as Grant Park, Reynoldstown, Decatur, Kirkwood, East Atlanta and other comparable intown neighborhoods.

It's really kind of interesting to see where the most densely populated areas of the city are -- probably not where a lot of people would think.

And there are many suburban areas that far more densely settled than large parts of the city proper.

Census tract 1142 in Roswell, for instance, has a population of 11,673 per square mile, compared to Tract 7704 in Cascade, with a population of 1,743 per square mile.

Mapping the 2010 U.S. Census - NYTimes.com

[Stars&StripesForever]

Originally Posted by aries4118

For the sake of discussion/understanding/clarity, I would like to see people give their opinions on what they would classify in Metro Atlanta as:

1. Urban
2. Suburban
3. Exurban.

Furthermore, suburban could be broken down into inner, middle, and outer. And--outer suburb and exurb could be seen as one and the same.

The poster Stars and Strips Forever wrote a fabulous post a while back the perfectly outlined urban, suburban, and exurban Metro Atlanta (including sub-categories), but I can't find it at this time.

Thoughts/Opinions?

In-town: Basically anything inside I-285

Suburbs: Suburbs outside Atlanta city limits inside I-285, on out to the exurbs, which in a way are very low density suburbs or closely located satellite cities with enough connection to nearby suburbs.

Exurbs: Very low density suburban areas with just enough development to have slightly more of a suburban flare than a rural flare.

With that said:

Exurbs ( very low density-satellite cities excluded)

Ball Ground, Free Home, Lathemtown, Macedonia, Coal Mountain, Matt, Braselton, Carl, Euharlee, Taylorsville, Cartersville (satellite city), Locust Grove, Hampton, Senoia, Madras, Griffin (satellite city), Villa Rica, Temple, New Georgia, Winston, Fairplay, Emerson, Milton (parts)

Outer Suburbs (mostly low to moderate density)

Canton, Holly Springs, Milton (parts), Cumming, Buford, Sugar Hill, Dacula, Loganville, Grayson, Covington, Oxford, Porterdale, McDonough, Fayetteville, Peachtree City, Newnan, Sharpsburg, Tyrone, Dallas, Hiram,

Middle Suburbs (mostly moderate density)

Woodstock, Acworth, Kennesaw, Alpharetta, Roswell, John's Creek, East Cobb, (parts) Suwanee, Duluth, Lawrenceville, Snellville, Centerville, Conyers, Lithonia, Stockbridge, Morrow, Fairburn, Union City, Powder Springs, Austell

OTP Inner Suburbs (mostly moderate to high density)

Marietta, Mableton, Smyrna, East Cobb (parts), Sandy Springs (part), Dunwoody, Peachtree Corners, Norcross, Lilburn, Stone Mountain, Clarkston, Lake City, Forest Park, Riverdale, College Park (part)

ITP Inner Suburbs (mostly moderate to high density)

Vinings, Chamblee, Doraville, Brookhaven, Decatur, Hapeville, East Point, College Park (part), Sandy Springs (part)

[aries4118]

Originally Posted by Stars&StripesForever

In-town: Basically anything inside I-285

Suburbs: Suburbs outside Atlanta city limits inside I-285, on out to the exurbs, which in a way are very low density suburbs or closely located satellite cities with enough connection to nearby suburbs.

Exurbs: Very low density suburban areas with just enough development to have slightly more of a suburban flare than a rural flare.

With that said:

Exurbs ( very low density-satellite cities excluded)

Ball Ground, Free Home, Lathemtown, Macedonia, Coal Mountain, Matt, Braselton, Carl, Euharlee, Taylorsville, Cartersville (satellite city), Locust Grove, Hampton, Senoia, Madras, Griffin (satellite city), Villa Rica, Temple, New Georgia, Winston, Fairplay, Emerson, Milton (parts)

Outer Suburbs (mostly low to moderate density)

Canton, Holly Springs, Milton (parts), Cumming, Buford, Sugar Hill, Dacula, Loganville, Grayson, Covington, Oxford, Porterdale, McDonough, Fayetteville, Peachtree City, Newnan, Sharpsburg, Tyrone, Dallas, Hiram,

Middle Suburbs (mostly moderate density)

Woodstock, Acworth, Kennesaw, Alpharetta, Roswell, John's Creek, East Cobb, (parts) Suwanee, Duluth, Lawrenceville, Snellville, Centerville, Conyers, Lithonia, Stockbridge, Morrow, Fairburn, Union City, Powder Springs, Austell

OTP Inner Suburbs (mostly moderate to high density)

Marietta, Mableton, Smyrna, East Cobb (parts), Sandy Springs (part), Dunwoody, Peachtree Corners, Norcross, Lilburn, Stone Mountain, Clarkston, Lake City, Forest Park, Riverdale, College Park (part)

ITP Inner Suburbs (mostly moderate to high density)

Vinings, Chamblee, Doraville, Brookhaven, Decatur, Hapeville, East Point, College Park (part), Sandy Springs (part)

Awesome! And Thanks!

Do you have a link to the actual post/thread? I remember agreeing with you about 99.9%, I remember I offered a few slight tweaks...