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Old 10-09-2018, 06:54 AM
 
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According to MARTA's technical analysis, the following projects weren't seeking federal matching:
  • S-Concept - Crosstown Downtown East Streetcar Extension
  • North Ave BRT
  • Route 510: Peachtree - Buckhead ART
  • Route 578: Cleveland Ave ART
  • Route 595: Metropolitan Pkwy ART
  • General Bus Service Improvements (though this has already started with the Fast Tracks stuff)
  • Greenbriar Transit Center
  • Moores Mill Transit Center
  • Station Enhancements
  • General Bus Stop Amenities

So, over all, not a bad haul! Quite a lot can be 'fast-tracked' while federal bids are put in. Might get some real nifty stuff sooner than we think.
Wow. Good catch. What is even more impressive is that "S-Concept - Crosstown Downtown East Streetcar Extension" goes all the way up to Ponce City Market! If they get that work started right away that would be a huge, visible quick victory for MoreMARTA.
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Old 10-09-2018, 07:04 AM
 
Location: Vinings
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It would be so much better and so much cheaper to just add tracks to the CSX corridor between Armour and Emory, and run an FRA-compliant light commuter rail, with the Stadler DMU:


After the Briarcliff Rd station, you could have one station right here under Clifton Rd, that would serve the entire main Emory campus area:
https://www.google.com/maps/@33.7954.../data=!3m1!1e3

Which would save money, vs multiple stations.

Then the next station would be at Clairmont Rd, which would serve Clairmont corridor and N Decatur Area and the Emory Clairmont campus. Then a N Druid Hills Rd station, then a Northlake station and a Tucker station. Then it's ready to run to Lawrenceville or maybe even Athens.

And meanwhile west of Armour, it can continue to a Brookwood/Piedmont Hospital station at Peachtree Rd, then Northside Dr, new stations in the Tilford ROW, then up to Cumberland and Marietta Square. And you have a regional line.
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Old 10-09-2018, 07:18 AM
 
Location: Kirkwood
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It would be so much better and so much cheaper to just add tracks to the CSX corridor between Armour and Emory, and run an FRA-compliant light commuter rail, with the Stadler DMU:


After the Briarcliff Rd station, you could have one station right here under Clifton Rd, that would serve the entire main Emory campus area:
https://www.google.com/maps/@33.7954.../data=!3m1!1e3

Which would save money, vs multiple stations.

Then the next station would be at Clairmont Rd, which would serve Clairmont corridor and N Decatur Area and the Emory Clairmont campus. Then a N Druid Hills Rd station, then a Northlake station and a Tucker station. Then it's ready to run to Lawrenceville or maybe even Athens.

And meanwhile west of Armour, it can continue to a Brookwood/Piedmont Hospital station at Peachtree Rd, then Northside Dr, new stations in the Tilford ROW, then up to Cumberland and Marietta Square. And you have a regional line.
I agree that running DMU is cheaper and would allow for expansion to Tucker. MARTA's plan had always been to create more connections and run the Clifton Corridor to the Blue Line, which is why they chose LRT.
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Old 10-09-2018, 07:25 AM
 
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Also, CSX has been resistant to working with transit using their tracks.
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Old 10-09-2018, 07:28 AM
 
Location: Prescott, AZ
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Wow. Good catch. What is even more impressive is that "S-Concept - Crosstown Downtown East Streetcar Extension" goes all the way up to Ponce City Market! If they get that work started right away that would be a huge, visible quick victory for MoreMARTA.

It would be, and would likely give MARTA a useful PR boost after all the project list squabling, as well as a potential show of good-faith to potential private partners.

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It would be so much better and so much cheaper to just add tracks to the CSX corridor between Armour and Emory, and run an FRA-compliant light commuter rail, with the Stadler DMU:
I doubt it would be nearly as advantageous as you're thinking, especially given the extent of the redesign you're proposing.

It would require an entire new round of studies and public review. It would require an entire restart to engineering work. It would remove the possibility of sharing maintenance facilities with the over all streetcar / light rail facility. It would reduce the neighborhood interaction, which is one of the selling points of the Clifton Corridor rather than a disadvantage as you're thinking. It would also requite an entire new funding source since More MARTA can't fund it.

The Clifton Corridor has a plan. It has public support. It has funding. At this point, changes will require a full restart, further delaying the project by years and years and years.

Inevitably, a little while after that started, you'd get the same complaints of "why can't we build anything ever!?"

The Clifton Corridor is within the core, and has far too much density of jobs and people, both right now and planned for it, to be handled by purely commuter rail. Make no mistake, there should be commuter rail serving some of those locations you mentioned, but not as the primary solution.
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Old 10-09-2018, 12:28 PM
 
Location: Kirkwood
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Yeah, I was thinking Summerhill BRT, though likely the Midtown section that doesn't overlap with the planned Capitol Ave BRT section. Not too bad, since even a Midtown BRT section would be useful.
Midtown BRT is not happening. Midtown Alliance has essentially killed the project.
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Old 10-09-2018, 12:30 PM
 
Location: Prescott, AZ
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Midtown BRT is not happening. Midtown Alliance has essentially killed the project.

They didn't want to give up road-space to bus lanes? Seems rather against some of their stated goals, it seems.
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Old 10-09-2018, 12:32 PM
 
Location: Kirkwood
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They didn't want to give up road-space to bus lanes? Seems rather against some of their stated goals, it seems.
IMO I think it interfered with their intended Piedmont and Juniper Complete Streets.
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Old 10-09-2018, 12:37 PM
 
Location: Prescott, AZ
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IMO I think it interfered with their intended Piedmont and Juniper Complete Streets.

Yeah, that was a bit of a worry when this was announced. I'd think that Complete Streets could be reworked for including transit lanes. Especially given that MARTA has the money ready.
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Old 10-09-2018, 04:55 PM
 
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Midtown BRT is not happening. Midtown Alliance has essentially killed the project.
When did this happen?
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