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Democrats have become notoriously bad losers. There are far more one party Democratic precincts than Republican. That's where voter fraud occurs, when there's little or no oversight.
Abrams did really, really well. But she lost and she can't accept it. She makes up stuff just like the Clinton people did. Voter fraud is historically much worse on the Democratic side.
Democrats fight tooth and nail efforts that reduce voter fraud such as voter ID, claiming its voter suppression. So no crocodile tears over voting machines.
Amazing. Every word of what you just said was wrong.
Amazing. Every word of what you just said was wrong.
New York City, Chicago, South Texas. More recently we have questionable activity in Broward County.
Democrats (with support from Republicans) got an election voided in North Carolina due to ballot harvesting which is illegal in North Carolina. Yet Democrats recently made the same thing legal in California and do it with enthusiasm. Its just really prone to fraud, which is why the North Carolina election got voided. Fortunately, I haven't heard of any efforts to do that in Georgia.
My concern with Georgia elections is wondering why one party Dekalb (much like Broward in Florida) is always in last with their votes.
New York City, Chicago, South Texas. More recently we have questionable activity in Broward County.
Democrats (with support from Republicans) got an election voided in North Carolina due to ballot harvesting which is illegal in North Carolina. Yet Democrats recently made the same thing legal in California and do it with enthusiasm. Its just really prone to fraud, which is why the North Carolina election got voided. Fortunately, I haven't heard of any efforts to do that in Georgia.
My concern with Georgia elections is wondering why one party Dekalb (much like Broward in Florida) is always in last with their votes.
Did you hear me audibly "sigh" before I began to type in reply here?
I know that you are intelligent. But I don't get why you have repeatedly (since I first recall seeing your commenting presence here on City-data over 3 years ago) posted things that are not necessarily completely fact-based or at least free from a right wing (i.e. faux news) partisan twist that dissembles away from the absolute truth and more closely resemble talking points I hear spread by the elites in the massive right wing tv & radio empires.
Earlier today on this thread you made claims that are not necessarily completely factual & I "sighed" then & moved on. But now, here we go again so it calls to question as to whether you ever stray away for news coverage or sources or opinions outside of your regular comfort zone?
By my way of thinking, talking points are no substitute for the truth. And I try to take care before I spread an opinion of mine around to people in my own circle or on a public forum.
Ballot harvesting &/or voter fraud are major topics in the news. As such, in March of this year the Washington Post offered a thorough piece of journalism that examined with considerable care & detail as to what California state law allows as compared to what North Carolina allows. In addition, their writing also reviewed what the gop operative allegedly perpetrated in the North Carolina election fraud case in the 9th Congressional District 2018 election.
The piece makes clear that what the gop operative Leslie McCrae did in North Carolina included not only the collection of ballots but also the FORGING OF SOME & THE DISCARDING OF OTHERS. That, my friend, is drastically different from what the state laws allow in both North Carolina & California.
In contrast, the Democratic Party of California has never been charged with much less convicted of the egregious types of offenses that McCrae committed in North Carolina. And, as seen in the Washington Post writing, the California gop is on the one hand publicly speaking out against the state law there but on the other hand making plans to develop their own ballot harvesting effort. That's a classic example of trying to have your cake & eating it too.
Let's be clear in understanding that the Democratic Party of California has not been charged with much less convicted of the egregious types of offenses that McCrae committed in North Carolina.
But, if they were to be found to have done them, I would be angry about it & speak out against the practice.
By contrast, I've yet to see you ever express any remorse for or condemn the actions that resulted in McCrae being charged with serious felonious offenses in North Carolina. Why is that? (The most recent charges are listed at the 2nd link)
On a final not, would you please end your years-long offensive here on the forum against Hillary Clinton which you've been engaged in in the form of numerous posts year after year as you invoke her name or Bill's name for "this evil or that evil". As you recall, you once again did so on this very thread earlier today.
I know that Bill and Hillary are the Great Satans to the right wing media elites and President tRUMP who continually drag their names through the mud so as to pump up outrage & promote gop fundraising. But, good heavens, Bill finished his 2nd term 19 years ago & Hillary lost the election nearly 3 years ago but yet you cannot let their names go. Please do so.
Did you hear me audibly "sigh" before I began to type in reply here?
I know that you are intelligent. But I don't get why you have repeatedly (since I first recall seeing your commenting presence here on City-data over 3 years ago) posted things that are not necessarily completely fact-based or at least free from a right wing (i.e. faux news) partisan twist that dissembles away from the absolute truth and more closely resemble talking points I hear spread by the elites in the massive right wing tv & radio empires.
Earlier today on this thread you made claims that are not necessarily completely factual & I "sighed" then & moved on. But now, here we go again so it calls to question as to whether you ever stray away for news coverage or sources or opinions outside of your regular comfort zone?
By my way of thinking, talking points are no substitute for the truth. And I try to take care before I spread an opinion of mine around to people in my own circle or on a public forum.
Ballot harvesting &/or voter fraud are major topics in the news. As such, in March of this year the Washington Post offered a thorough piece of journalism that examined with considerable care & detail as to what California state law allows as compared to what North Carolina allows. In addition, their writing also reviewed what the gop operative allegedly perpetrated in the North Carolina election fraud case in the 9th Congressional District 2018 election.
The piece makes clear that what the gop operative Leslie McCrae did in North Carolina included not only the collection of ballots but also the FORGING OF SOME & THE DISCARDING OF OTHERS. That, my friend, is drastically different from what the state laws allow in both North Carolina & California.
In contrast, the Democratic Party of California has never been charged with much less convicted of the egregious types of offenses that McCrae committed in North Carolina. And, as seen in the Washington Post writing, the California gop is on the one hand publicly speaking out against the state law there but on the other hand making plans to develop their own ballot harvesting effort. That's a classic example of trying to have your cake & eating it too.
Let's be clear in understanding that the Democratic Party of California has not been charged with much less convicted of the egregious types of offenses that McCrae committed in North Carolina.
But, if they were to be found to have done them, I would be angry about it & speak out against the practice.
By contrast, I've yet to see you ever express any remorse for or condemn the actions that resulted in McCrae being charged with serious felonious offenses in North Carolina. Why is that? (The most recent charges are listed at the 2nd link)
On a final not, would you please end your years-long offensive here on the forum against Hillary Clinton which you've been engaged in in the form of numerous posts year after year as you invoke her name or Bill's name for "this evil or that evil". As you recall, you once again did so on this very thread earlier today.
I know that Bill and Hillary are the Great Satans to the right wing media elites and President tRUMP who continually drag their names through the mud so as to pump up outrage & promote gop fundraising. But, good heavens, Bill finished his 2nd term 19 years ago & Hillary lost the election nearly 3 years ago but yet you cannot let their names go. Please do so.
You don't read very well. I noted the Republicans also agreed to void the NC election. Ballot harvesting is illegal in North Carolina. That consultant tainted the election by illegally harvesting ballots without any of the other stuff.
I didn't accuse the California Democrats of doing any of the other stuff. I pointed out that it was very easy to commit fraud with ballot harvesting. As for the Republicans being hypocritical, do they disarm themselves when the Democrats do the same thing and its legal? Your comment is what is hypocritical.
Its a horrible practice that shouldn't be legal anywhere, having partisans handling ballots before they get to the polling place.
Democrats campaign on mysoginy but backed Bill Clinton 100% who even Sen. Gillibrand said was probably a rapist. Hillary engaged in massive victim shaming. So I can't help it if you don't like the hypocrisy of the left pointed out. I'm not defending Trump's actions or words in that area. I'm just pointing out the absurdity of Democrats complaining when they defended worse. The complaints are not really about his actions, but the simple fact that he is a Republican.
And I call out the fake news talking points like the one posted on here. If they want to post it on the political board, go ahead. That's the place for it.
Both parties are going to flood the airwaves next fall. Democrats will call all Republicans racists and mysoginists. Republicans will call all Democrats socialists. There will be little serious discussion of issues.
Democrats have become notoriously bad losers. There are far more one party Democratic precincts than Republican. That's where voter fraud occurs, when there's little or no oversight.
Abrams did really, really well. But she lost and she can't accept it. She makes up stuff just like the Clinton people did.
I'm sorry, but Republicans have their head in the sand with this one. I hear it repeatedly, almost as if they completely erased 2019-2017 from their minds. Eight solid years of crying like babies, going so far as to erupt over the color of a suit, and doing everything they possibly could to stop Obama from doing anything, including investigations into his birthplace. Jesus Christ, just stop with this nonsense.
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Voter fraud is historically much worse on the Democratic side.
Please provide sources. Almost every case of voter fraud that I have seen involves Republicans.
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Democrats fight tooth and nail efforts that reduce voter fraud such as voter ID, claiming its voter suppression. So no crocodile tears over voting machines.
When an obvious pattern of closing voting locations in minority areas and making IDs harder to get keeps appearing, you have to ask yourself if it's intentional. And the answer is probably "yes". The GOP has discovered that they likely can't win without rigging the system using every technically-legal method they can, and so they do.
You don't read very well. I noted the Republicans also agreed to void the NC election. Ballot harvesting is illegal in North Carolina. That consultant tainted the election by illegally harvesting ballots without any of the other stuff.
I didn't accuse the California Democrats of doing any of the other stuff. I pointed out that it was very easy to commit fraud with ballot harvesting. As for the Republicans being hypocritical, do they disarm themselves when the Democrats do the same thing and its legal? Your comment is what is hypocritical.
Its a horrible practice that shouldn't be legal anywhere, having partisans handling ballots before they get to the polling place.
Democrats campaign on mysoginy but backed Bill Clinton 100% who even Sen. Gillibrand said was probably a rapist. Hillary engaged in massive victim shaming. So I can't help it if you don't like the hypocrisy of the left pointed out. I'm not defending Trump's actions or words in that area. I'm just pointing out the absurdity of Democrats complaining when they defended worse. The complaints are not really about his actions, but the simple fact that he is a Republican.
And I call out the fake news talking points like the one posted on here. If they want to post it on the political board, go ahead. That's the place for it.
Both parties are going to flood the airwaves next fall. Democrats will call all Republicans racists and mysoginists. Republicans will call all Democrats socialists. There will be little serious discussion of issues.
In my earlier post I referred to you as being smart without insulting your intelligence bu2, so I'll thank you to not insult me by telling me that I "..don't read very well."
I did not comment about the North Carolina republicans having agreed to void the election in that state for good reason. Not because I can't read but rather because it is a fact that the republican party in North Carolina initially fought tooth and nail against a redo of the 9th Congressional District House contest. On Feb. 26th, 2019 a full 3 & 1/2 months after the November election, that party finally gave in to the pressure for a redo election but only in the immediate aftermath of the original gop candidate having thrown in the towel.
And the "support" the North Carolina gop "gave" in that regard was grudging at best & came only after a bitter struggle of resistance. The gop party position of resistance is made clear in the short 1 sentence nugget that follows this paragraph which is also found in the larger Politifact story linked first below.
"After investigators found voting irregularities in North Carolina’s 9th Congressional District, the state Republican Party opposed the idea of a new election."
You pushed back against the "hypocrisy" comment I threw at the gop but in the content of the Washington Post piece I linked in my earlier comment, the real gop hypocrisy easily plays out as goes ballot harvesting:
"The controversy has been awkward for the gop, which under President tRUMP has warned loudly about the risks of in-person voter fraud, a relatively rare phenomenon. tRUMP has been silent about the North Carolina case even as other republicans have tried to turn attention to the potential for fraud in California."
Furthermore, that same Washington Post piece reveals an epic dose of gop hypocrisy via the discussion of how gop House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy very publicly denounced ballot harvesting WHICH IS AT ODDS with what republicans have been SAYING BEHIND THE SCENES.
As for my own views on the practice of ballot harvesting, I am at best cautious at this time. I want to to see how things play out when it is used and whether it is used honestly & ethically lest I make a snap judgment in error.
My purpose in bringing up Hillary, and by extension Bill Clinton here earlier was probably not clear. For the sake of clarity I will add that for over 3 years I have read your many comments & various claims about Hillary here on the Atlanta & Georgia forum threads. Seemingly whenever possible, you have gotten in a dig of negativity. That frankly is how your posting initially came to my attention. Unfortunately, and this is important: Many of those comments or claims of yours have NOT been completely fact-based. And that is what I have grown tired of seeing when you have repeatedly brought up and rehashed Hillary.
As for example, way back in 2016 I called you out on one specific occasion after you claimed there had been cursing or potty mouth behavior by Secretary Clinton during one of the 2016 debates. I had no clue as to what you were referring. You responded by saying that you had not personally heard it yourself but rather that you had heard the host guys on a radio show talking about it. Basically via that mea culpa, you revealed that you had no proof positive to support your claim given that you had not seen or heard such cursing yourself, nor could you offer anything in the way of a supportive news link for it. That is part and parcel the type of "he said, she said" nonfactual discussion content in which I try not to conduct myself nor like to find used in a public forum.
As for your new claim that Senator Gillibrand said that "Bill Clinton "... was probably a rapist." as you put it, please find that exact quote & provide a link to support it. Rather than finding supporting evidence for that specific statement anywhere, I instead found where she said that it would have been appropriate for him to have resigned after having a sexual relationship with White House intern Monica Lewinsky. See the 2nd link below.
The point is that if you are now unable to bring anything to the table here that factually verifies your claim that Gillibrand, "..said that Clinton was probably a rapist.", then come back & withdraw what you said. If you can find it, then supply a supporting link. Accuracy is always important in a public forum such as this.
Since that debate cursing episode back in 2016, I have basically let your repeated various comments about Hillary that were NOT completely factual go unchecked without response or push-back from me.
I assumed, apparently wrongly, that over time that you would eventually move on from similar posting activity. But going forward from now, I will call you out on these claims and jabs when they are NOT based on fact or adequately supported via a reliable news source link.
This calls to mind the words of the late Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan, Democrat of New York, who famously said, "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion but not his own facts."
Looking further through your post of late yesterday, you claimed that Democrats had supported Bill Clinton 100%. Let me caution against painting with such a broad brush if you are interested in accuracy.
I personally never defended nor approved of any alleged or confirmed acts of sexual aggression by President Clinton & note that he did go through the impeachment process. Furthermore, many of my friends &/or colleagues who were Democrats or Independents voiced their misgivings in our political discussions at that time as was the case with one friend in particular who I recall saying that he was sick of it and wished that Clinton would resign.
I also recall that there was not "100%" (using your specific term) Democratic backing of Clinton in Washington. In a prime example, Connecticut Democratic Senator Joseph Lieberman, who was one of the most powerful men on Capitol Hill & eventually on the ballot in 2000 with Al Gore, spoke out on the Senate floor in 1998 in a sharply-worded rebuke of President Clinton over the Lewinsky affair. See the CNN transcript link for that address below.
Knowing the Democratic Party sensibilities of today, if that Lewinsky episode were to play out with President Clinton today were he in office now, a sizable portion of his own party, both on the street & in Congress, would call for him to step down and rightly so. Unfortunately the same cannot be said of the hypocritical & mostly cowardly gop ranks currently in Congress.
You also wrote that it is "absurd" for Democrats to criticize tRUMP when they defended Clinton over matters that were "worse". To put it mildly, that's a real head scratcher. "Worse"?
And you chalked up the criticism to the simple fact that nixon was a republican. That is an opinion and not a fact.
For well over a year I mistakenly told myself that's what the nixon criticism was all about back in my college days during Watergate as I dug in my heels so as to defend richard nixon against the rising onslaught of revealed lying, personal moral corruption & assault on the Constitution. But one day, I finally saw the light. And I recall that for my Republican parents & much of my extended family, when partial content of the nixon Tapes went public, they reached their final straw with him.
For comparative context given your word choice of "worse" when describing what Democrats defended in the Clinton era, the number of & the seriousness of the current sexual charges against tRUMP, are found at the BusinessInsider linked article below from June that noted that there were at that time 24 women who accused tRUMP of sexual misconduct. Beyond that, of course we all heard the infamous recording of tRUMP speaking on mic to Billy Bush on a bus when he bragged about grabbing women by the "....." and then laughed about how he could get away with it due to his celebrity status.
And thanks to rudy giuliani's interview of last December, linked lastly below, we also know that tRUMP paid off a porn star & a Playboy model during the 2016 campaign so as to buy their silence.
By what standards did the Democrats thus earlier defend Clinton conduct that was "worse" as you put it?
As for the thread topic regarding the newly-announced Ossoff candidacy that potentially could set up a match up of him versus perdue, it's significant that Senator david perdue of Georgia has not held a single town hall event since he joined the U.S. Senate after his 2014 election victory. It's now late in 2019 but he's not held a single such event! Not one! What is Perdue afraid of? Could it be the voice of his constituents? That smacks of plain old cowardice given that the Senator instead has a documented history of meeting privately with groups that are supportive of him or with lobbyists!
I've often called the offices of both Senator perdue & Senator Isakson to ask questions or make my views on issues known. In calling Senator Perdue's office, I've largely recognized that it was a vain effort given that he seems to exhibit no real sense of moral purpose as a leader now that he has morphed into a role of being a total tRUMP sycophant in the Senate. What sort of future would he have in terms of effectively representing Georgians once tRUMP has gone? That is totally unclear & I am unable to give him a 2nd chance via a 2nd term as my U.S. Senator.
New York City, Chicago, South Texas. More recently we have questionable activity in Broward County.
That was a badly-designed ballot.
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Democrats (with support from Republicans) got an election voided in North Carolina due to ballot harvesting which is illegal in North Carolina. Yet Democrats recently made the same thing legal in California and do it with enthusiasm. Its just really prone to fraud, which is why the North Carolina election got voided. Fortunately, I haven't heard of any efforts to do that in Georgia.
The Republicans rigged that election in North Carolina. Thank you for making my point for me.
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My concern with Georgia elections is wondering why one party Dekalb (much like Broward in Florida) is always in last with their votes.
Voter suppression tactics include shutting down polling stations in majority-minority districts. This is why the voting lines in majority-white districts are typically much shorter than they are elsewhere. That is what the Voting Rights Act was supposed to protect against, and once the Supreme Court took that protection away as well, Republican states immediately moved in with these kinds of voter-suppression tactics.
Republicans don't want democracy. They want a one-party rule for themselves.
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