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Location: Central Bay Area, CA as of Jan 2010...but still a proud Texan from Houston!
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As a fellow human being, I feel really sorry for you that you fell for the brainwashing and hate your fellow man so much. Since there is absolutely no point in arguing with you since you're so far gone, I'll have to put you on ignore.
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Your assumptions are not even worth "arguing" about.
Location: Central Bay Area, CA as of Jan 2010...but still a proud Texan from Houston!
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[quote=theunbrainwashed;26358339]Yes, pollution is bad. However, carbon dioxide is not pollution, plants and phytoplankton need it! They are the start of the food chain on both sides of the water.quote]
See guys this is exactly what I am talking about...people with zero scientific backgrounds that can only digest one little snippet of info and then think they have it all figured out.
Here is as little CO2 information and what too much does to the planet.
Carbon dioxide has unique long-term effects on climate change that are largely "irreversible" for one thousand years after emissions stop (zero further emissions) even though carbon dioxide tends toward equilibrium with the ocean on a scale of 100 years. The greenhouse gases methane and nitrous oxide do not persist over time in the same way as carbon dioxide. Even if human carbon dioxide emissions were to completely cease, atmospheric temperatures are not expected to decrease significantly in the short term
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Yes, pollution is bad. However, carbon dioxide is not pollution, plants and phytoplankton need it! They are the start of the food chain on both sides of the water.
Also, ditching capitalism and replacing it with what? Socialism? Anarchy? Some of you on here are arguing that capitalism is the problem, then what do we replace it with? Cause I'll tell you, my family's lived under Stalinist socialism not that long ago, and it wasn't that environmentally friendly I'll have you know, especially not the Wartburg 353 they drove, with no emissions controls whatsoever and terrible amounts of smoke coming out the back.
Again I never said anything about ditching capitalism outright. I just think it's gone a bit out of control, it's like a monster or a black hole that sucks everything into it. Everything sacrificed on the altar to growth and development. America encourages developing nations to follow it's model as if it's the perfect system, not realising that, although it's unfair, India in 2012 can't follow the US in the 1800s because the world is a much different, much more polluted place.
No CO2 is naturally occurring - all of us are breathing it out - yet too much of anything is bad. The Earth is a finely tuned machine, if anything is out of balance EVERYTHING changes radically. Not to say this hasn't happened in the past, climate change is a part of the Earth's history, but never so rapidly as we've seen, perhaps except an asteroid or something. But we all know what happens when asteroids hit, mass extinctions.etc.
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NO, you are NOT guilty, that's what they want you to believe!
I agree with you for the most part, but who pushes all that plastic and cardboard upon us? I don't need anything packaged the way things are packaged, I also don't need to purchase the latest, brightest, shiniest, best packaged goods, it's about capturing the market with the newest and the best looking packaged goods to suck the consumer in, couple that with the non existent spare parts for most stuff today and the consumer is forced to BUY a new item simply because they are unable to repair the old item. That's capitalism working, your hands are always in your pocket shelling out money, and to whom are you shelling that money out to? the corporation, and its shareholders.
The only way to make change is to enforce change, as has always been the case throughout history, and that can only happen when people stop purchasing the next thing which hits the store shelf every fortnight. They need to take back their power by whatever means is necessary if they REALLY want change.
It's not a 'defeatist attitude', this is why I reject your statement about 'everyone is to blame', it's a matter of getting more people to see the bigger picture and understand it's not THEM that has caused this myth about carbon pollution. It's been forced upon us by those who will not support alternatives, unless of course there is considerable money to be made - for THEM. Those alternatives would not cost us anywhere near as much, and who would be the loser? THEM, we would be the ones to gain.
There isn't much that modern technology can't achieve in the 21st century so why don't they do something constructive about it instead of putting a guilt trip on Joe and Jill Average by making *US* the scapegoats for all the problems brought about by governments and corporations lack of interest and concern for the people at large. Capitalism is all about money, we need to break that cycle, come up with a better way of doing things, in short - people need to rebel, and this is my puny way of rebelling, trying to get people to see the bigger picture and encouraging them to get off that 'going nowhere' guilt trip train they have been herded into!
WE didn't cause the problem, THEY caused it by not looking into future sustainability! I've said it before and I'll say it again, it won't be too far away and EVERY facet of our lives will be controlled by those have the power!
I'm not even an academic but I can see what's coming around the corner. People need to read less and think more!
You have a point, the packaging is really annoying. Japan is probably the worst, in some ways. Even little sweets are individually wrapped up, which is both inconvenient and wasteful. I also agree guilt tripping without actually doing anything is just wasted words. It's probably not the ideal way to encourage people to change track, but we do need to convey the urgency of the situation for the sake of people alive today and the future generation.
Do you want to live in a world with barely any rainforests, no tigers, rhinos, gorillas, orang utans, blue whales, no coral reefs? It'd be a sad world indeed.
The Earth is a finely tuned machine, if anything is out of balance EVERYTHING changes radically.
I see what you're getting at but it's not quite as cut and dried as that. Systems have varying degrees of resilience and capacities for absorbing change before crossing thresholds and entering new states, not all of them unfavourable.
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