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edit: ah I see you bolded the last couple of sentences.
So you believe there won't ever be a time, in any amount of years into the future, when automated driving is mandated in new cars and a manual driving mode is eliminated?
And you believe there won't ever be a time when operating an old-fashioned human-driven vehicle will be restricted to non-public roads?
I think you're pretty naive...
Right back at ya Hoss.
I think you need to come back down to Earth, or maybe step outside once in a while, and live in a little reality. This will not put the major manufacturers out of business, nor will they ever completely change over there entire fleet. This is not something every driver out there wants for many reasons. This is for economical, doesn't care about having a driving experience type of person behind the wheel. This will not be accepted by your sports car, off-roading, modding, and enthusiast crowd. As long as these vehicles need fuel too, everyone will be paying for the roads.
The only way you will ever get these to become the favorite is not by restricting the roads (which COULD NOT happen), but if all these companies go in together to help sponsor (or probably a great lobbyist and plenty of steak dinners ), is to create a new road; what I believe would be an elevated road made of composite materials that would be strictly for autonomous vehicles. If they could all be programmed to sync up and travel together, so that every vehicle within ... lets say a mile... could know which exit you were taking and when. That all the vehicles could have sensors and even look ahead to use the on road cameras that could be viewed inside your vehicle..... Well then much higher speeds would safer and efficient, then possible. If they make an autonomous specific roadway that could work WITH the cars for better travel, then you might start to swing some of the die-hards; BUT they will NEVER retrofit the highways to be autonomous only.
And what unsettles this poster the most is that humanity's most threatening conflict -- the Great Clash between security (at the price of subjugation) and autonomy (at the price of accountability) has found its way to the focal point of this discussion.
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I wonder if a self-driving car will have better gas mileage
The physics say absolutely. Imagine if all vehicles are self driving and communicate with other vehicles. Passengers input their destination and the vehicle begins the journey. When it enters the road it falls in line nearly inches from the nearest vehicle. Because of the communication, other vehicles will slow to allow the merging vehicle to joint the group and then speed back up to an efficient speed for group travel. Crossing intersections would be merely allowing space between vehicles to allow for cross traffic to pass in between with no need to come to a full and complete stop except in the case of pedestrians. On the freeway the fuel savings would be greater due to a freight train type travel. Lines of vehicles going on for miles traveling within inches of each other going at the exact same speed while drafting. When a vehicle needs to exit, that vehicle and those behind it slow down to allow enough of a gap to allow the vehicle to safely exit. Once that vehicle has exited, the vehicles behind gradually speed up to reform the train. Because of the network of vehicles communicating, if too many people are on the road at the same time, like in metropolitan area, it could calculate routes for reduced traffic and road time. But that's all dependent upon everything working perfectly.
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The physics say absolutely. Imagine if all vehicles are self driving and communicate with other vehicles. Passengers input their destination and the vehicle begins the journey. When it enters the road it falls in line nearly inches from the nearest vehicle. Because of the communication, other vehicles will slow to allow the merging vehicle to joint the group and then speed back up to an efficient speed for group travel. Crossing intersections would be merely allowing space between vehicles to allow for cross traffic to pass in between with no need to come to a full and complete stop except in the case of pedestrians. On the freeway the fuel savings would be greater due to a freight train type travel. Lines of vehicles going on for miles traveling within inches of each other going at the exact same speed while drafting. When a vehicle needs to exit, that vehicle and those behind it slow down to allow enough of a gap to allow the vehicle to safely exit. Once that vehicle has exited, the vehicles behind gradually speed up to reform the train. Because of the network of vehicles communicating, if too many people are on the road at the same time, like in metropolitan area, it could calculate routes for reduced traffic and road time. But that's all dependent upon everything working perfectly.
Perfection. Until there is some radio interference.
This could produce some epic crashes until they get the bugs worked out.
I hope it's not tied to my gps, cause we'll be going in circles until we starve to death.
The physics say absolutely. Imagine if all vehicles are self driving and communicate with other vehicles. Passengers input their destination and the vehicle begins the journey. When it enters the road it falls in line nearly inches from the nearest vehicle. Because of the communication, other vehicles will slow to allow the merging vehicle to joint the group and then speed back up to an efficient speed for group travel. Crossing intersections would be merely allowing space between vehicles to allow for cross traffic to pass in between with no need to come to a full and complete stop except in the case of pedestrians. On the freeway the fuel savings would be greater due to a freight train type travel. Lines of vehicles going on for miles traveling within inches of each other going at the exact same speed while drafting. When a vehicle needs to exit, that vehicle and those behind it slow down to allow enough of a gap to allow the vehicle to safely exit. Once that vehicle has exited, the vehicles behind gradually speed up to reform the train. Because of the network of vehicles communicating, if too many people are on the road at the same time, like in metropolitan area, it could calculate routes for reduced traffic and road time. But that's all dependent upon everything working perfectly.
In addition to what you just pointed out if there is central communications you no longer need stop lights, stop signs or even direction of travel on roads.
Along with a telephone, a personal computer, and a firearm, the automobile is one of the four basic tools the rational individual might use for defense against tyranny and totalitarianism.
And Big Brother and Sister have their prying eyes and grabby hands focused on all four.
Along with a telephone, a personal computer, and a firearm, the automobile is one of the four basic tools the rational individual might use for defense against tyranny and totalitarianism.
And Big Brother and Sister have their prying eyes and grabby hands focused on all four.
These people are dreaming. Or more likely having a nightmare of a bleak future in which they have no control.
Cars zipping along a foot off each others bumper? Punch in an address as to where to go and the car takes it's place in line among a bunch of clones until it gets to your destination? What is this? Some amusement park ride. Think for a moment as that's not going to happen. Perhaps some of you like living (existing) your life in some routine way. You get up in the morning at the same time, have your same cup of coffee, your same doughnut and punch into work at the same exact place at the same exact time every single day of your life (existence). There are many of us who don't live like that. We get in our cars and head towards wherever it is we may be going that day. Then we change our minds and decide to stop at a different place to get something different to eat and a coke. A last minute thought. No time to reprogram our car. Same thing with the drive home. Dang those tomatoes look good, I think I'll stop here and get a few. Again, no time to reprogram your car. See, That is how a large percentage of us live day to day.
If you like being driven around and not altering where your going there are already plenty of options. Planes and trains for long distance. Subways and metros in and around major cities. Bus service for economical long distance trips or for short routes around and in your city. Taxis, etc... and I can guarantee every one of those options are going to be considerably cheaper then buying a car with all the electronics needed to somewhat reliably do what you are are dreaming of. So if you don't want a car and don't want to drive, there you go. For the rest of us, we'll keep driving our cars/trucks and have the freedom and control of our own vehicles to make a stop at any quicky mart we want when the urge strikes us!
Eventually, as we get closer to the point where self-driving cars become a reality, the environmental lobby will realize that many people currently using public transit may choose instead to opt for a personal self-driving vehicle. When that happens there will be a major push for expanded and enhanced public transit systems. We can expect the transit unions to join them in this push, as well.
Expanded and improved public transportation systems will likely find appeal with many of those who would be interested in self-driving vehicles, which will greatly reduce the demand. Especially when cost is taken into consideration.
Autonomous cars will still move forward, but I don't think there will be sufficient demand to justify any kind of a mandate, and without a mandate to drive sales there will be little incentive to bring costs down.
The mandate will come in the name of safety. Look at what was mandated on cars in the name of safety.
Inside trunk handle
Tire pressure monitor
Safety belts
Front airbags
Back up cameras
Electronic stability control
And
Automatic braking systems.
Let's face it. People drive distracted. Some do everything in the car but drive. Eat, screw, read, text, answer emails etc. There are many many bad drivers on the road. While I enjoy driving, I'm not foolish enough to think that autonomous cars are not going to be on the road. Do you guys think that these companies like GOOGLE, BMW, GM, VOLVO TESLA etc are simply looking and investing in this technology just as a pastime? Hardly. No company is going to pour millions in research on a system that will not be used. There us obviously some demand to make it worth it.
While some people want nothing to do with automated vehicles, there will be plenty of people who do. Like I said I enjoy driving for pleasure when going hunting camping fishing somewhere far. But driving in rush hour traffic isn't exactly a fun thing. As insurance companies, safety advocate groups and government get more involved they will work on mandating these features as standard safety items. I'm also willing to bet that companies that have delivery vehicles and service construction type work will move to that type of vehicle. Less chances of accidents too.
We can argue all day long. Car companies sell what is in demand by consumers. If everyone wanted trucks to ride and look like a 1984 Suburban you would still be buying that 1984 Suburban in 2017.
These safety items are found in cars today. Some mandated some not.
DADS:' DADS : Driver Alertness Detection System System to prevent crashes caused by fatigue
Automatic Braking systems to prevent or reduce the severity of collision.
Infrared night vision systems to increase seeing distance beyond headlamp range
Adaptive headlamps control the direction and range of the headlight beams to light the driver's way through curves and maximize seeing distance without partially blinding other drivers
Reverse backup sensors, which alert drivers to difficult-to-see objects in their path when reversing
Backup camera
Adaptive cruise control which maintains a safe distance from the vehicle in front
Lane departure warning systems to alert the driver of an unintended departure from the intended lane of travel
Tire pressure monitoring systems or Deflation Detection Systems
Traction control systems which restore traction if driven wheels begin to spin
Electronic Stability Control, which intervenes to avert an impending loss of control
Anti-lock braking systems
Electronic brakeforce distribution systems
Emergency brake assist systems
Cornering Brake Control systems
Assured Clear Distance Ahead measurement and speed governance systems
Precrash system
Automated parking system
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), is to create a new road; what I believe would be an elevated road made of composite materials that would be strictly for autonomous vehicles. If they could all be programmed to sync up and travel together, so that every vehicle within ... lets say a mile... could know which exit you were taking and when. That all the vehicles could have sensors and even look ahead to use the on road cameras that could be viewed inside your vehicle..... Well then much higher speeds would safer and efficient, then possible. If they make an autonomous specific roadway that could work WITH the cars for better travel, then you might start to swing some of the die-hards; BUT they will NEVER retrofit the highways to be autonomous only.
