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I was not aware of that. So the base Mini Cooper's drive range nearly triples the drive-mile range of the electric Mini Cooper.
Yes, though the comparison should be against the Mini Cooper S given the features and performance.
The Mini Cooper SE vs Mini Cooper S comparison is sort of an odd case because people generally aren't going to be towing or taking long road trips with a Mini Cooper. As such, this is why the Mini Cooper SE despite its low range is arguably an example of an EV at roughly purchase price parity while three years of operation will have it substantially ahead of the Mini Cooper S before incentives. The ICE Mini Coopers take premium gasoline and though at least they aren't incredibly thirsty.
It'll be interesting to see how the comparison for the next generation of Mini Cooper compares because that's also coming in both electric and ICE formats and this time the electric one will also come with a lower power output trim level. Unfortunately, production for the electric version will be in China which means that it will be hit by tariffs and there hasn't yet been any announcement of having production lines for the Mini Cooper Electric to Europe or NA. The only electric Mini that's currently planned for manufacturing outside of China is the Mini Countryman.
Yes, though the comparison should be against the Mini Cooper S given the features and performance.
The Mini Cooper SE vs Mini Cooper S comparison is sort of an odd case because people generally aren't going to be towing or taking long road trips with a Mini Cooper. As such, this is why the Mini Cooper SE despite its low range is arguably an example of an EV at roughly purchase price parity while three years of operation will have it substantially ahead of the Mini Cooper S before incentives. The ICE Mini Coopers take premium gasoline and though at least they aren't incredibly thirsty.
It'll be interesting to see how the comparison for the next generation of Mini Cooper compares because that's also coming in both electric and ICE formats and this time the electric one will also come with a lower power output trim level. Unfortunately, production for the electric version will be in China which means that it will be hit by tariffs and there hasn't yet been any announcement of having production lines for the Mini Cooper Electric to Europe or NA. The only electric Mini that's currently planned for manufacturing outside of China is the Mini Countryman.
In the real world, I'd take the MINI EV as a cost-saver compared to the ICE version. Have you ever worked on an ICE MINI? PITA. Everything is crammed together and stacked on top. Clutch replacement, oil cooler hoses, oil filter housing, etc...it's madness.
In the real world, I'd take the MINI EV as a cost-saver compared to the ICE version. Have you ever worked on an ICE MINI? PITA. Everything is crammed together and stacked on top. Clutch replacement, oil cooler hoses, oil filter housing, etc...it's madness.
I would take new ICE Mini Cooper, and drive it until the 3-year/36,000-mile warranty is nearly over. There is no way I would work on any of the new vehicles of today
It all depends on how many miles are driven per year. For some it makes sense, for many others it doesn't. That doesn't mean people purchase purely as a financial decision. iPhones are more expensive than virtually every other smartphone but they'r the most popular in the US.
The Lucid Air costs $125,600 (base model). If you’re trying to sell the idea that EVs can be for the working people, you ought to pick a better example.
The topic is about the affordability of pure electric cars. I remain unconvinced.
My referencing the Lucid Air was only to address the false comment that no EV had the capability to go 500 miles. Also the Lucid Air starts at $82,400 for the base model not $125K - add incentives and you are at about $75K - you are off by $40K (almost $50K with incentives) from the actual base model price.
As for affordable, many EVs are already at par cost vs there ICE counterparts. There are many can be had for well under what people are already paying for the average new vehicle - a little over $48K according to Kelly Blue Book info. There are EV's that are already less than $30K well equipped.
Normally, if an EV is too much, you are not really looking at a comparable new vehicle. The Lucid Air would be comparable to a larger luxury car like a BMW 7 or MB S but can be bought for less less. Some seem to want to compare a fairly low end ICE with less equipment and features to the top end equipped EV - that is not a real comparison.
Just to be clear - I am not trying to sell anyone on EVs just counter the false info.
My referencing the Lucid Air was only to address the false comment that no EV had the capability to go 500 miles. Also the Lucid Air starts at $82,400 for the base model not $125K - add incentives and you are at about $75K - you are off by $40K (almost $50K with incentives) from the actual base model price.
As for affordable, many EVs are already at par cost vs there ICE counterparts. There are many can be had for well under what people are already paying for the average new vehicle - a little over $48K according to Kelly Blue Book info. There are EV's that are already less than $30K well equipped.
Normally, if an EV is too much, you are not really looking at a comparable new vehicle. The Lucid Air would be comparable to a larger luxury car like a BMW 7 or MB S but can be bought for less less. Some seem to want to compare a fairly low end ICE with less equipment and features to the top end equipped EV - that is not a real comparison.
Just to be clear - I am not trying to sell anyone on EVs just counter the false info.
Some EV's are cheaper and better than their ICE competition. The Model Y Performance is $54M (plus a possible $7500 tax incentive) and it's super fast and super efficient compared to any ICE comparable vehicle and the technology is better as well.
It all depends on how many miles are driven per year. For some it makes sense, for many others it doesn't. That doesn't mean people purchase purely as a financial decision. iPhones are more expensive than virtually every other smartphone but they'r the most popular in the US.
Not really true - According to the US DOT, over 99% of trips are less than 100 miles - which means those trips could be done with all charging at home for those trips. I have been driving EVs for over 8 years, filling up every night with just seconds to connect and at a very low cost to fill. My DW's EV vehicle does about 10K a year for the last 4+ years and has only been charged at home. I drive about 16K miles a year in an EV which is more than most people drive - much of it on longer trips which I do about once a month. Charging even on the road has not been an issue ever. Range is not the issue many seem to think.
I drive an EV because I like the high performance and automation - the low cost of operation and maintenance is a nice added benefit. I really don't care what you drive or the reasons for it, but the miles driven is not really a big factor as many think.
BTW - I would never own an iPhone or Mac - I used to manage a very, very large network and very sophisticated comm systems for the military and am well versed with the issues they have (that most would not be aware of) - too many issues for use on a secure / classified network.
My referencing the Lucid Air was only to address the false comment that no EV had the capability to go 500 miles. Also the Lucid Air starts at $82,400 for the base model not $125K - add incentives and you are at about $75K - you are off by $40K (almost $50K with incentives) from the actual base model price.
As for affordable, many EVs are already at par cost vs there ICE counterparts. There are many can be had for well under what people are already paying for the average new vehicle - a little over $48K according to Kelly Blue Book info. There are EV's that are already less than $30K well equipped.
Normally, if an EV is too much, you are not really looking at a comparable new vehicle. The Lucid Air would be comparable to a larger luxury car like a BMW 7 or MB S but can be bought for less less. Some seem to want to compare a fairly low end ICE with less equipment and features to the top end equipped EV - that is not a real comparison.
Just to be clear - I am not trying to sell anyone on EVs just counter the false info.
You're wrong. The Lucid Air does start in the 80s, but that model only goes 410 miles or so. To get the 500 mile range you cited, you have to get the touring model as described in my link, and that is $126K.
Tesla has a car coming out in 2024, the Tesla Roadster 2.0, that will have 600 miles of range, but it is likely to be low six figures at the very least.
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