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Some EV's are cheaper and better than their ICE competition. The Model Y Performance is $54M (plus a possible $7500 tax incentive) and it's super fast and super efficient compared to any ICE comparable vehicle and the technology is better as well.
Good point - there are few ICE that are even close to the speed of the Tesla performance versions unless you get something like a BMW M, an Audi S or a MB AMG version. The ICE will most likely be about $10-20K higher with similar power and equipment and the Tesla will still out accelerate them.
You're wrong. The Lucid Air does start in the 80s, but that model only goes 410 miles or so. To get the 500 mile range you cited, you have to get the touring model as described in my link, and that is $126K.
Tesla has a car coming out in 2024, the Tesla Roadster 2.0, that will have 600 miles of range, but it is likely to be low six figures at the very least.
Sorry, you are incorrect - I never claimed anything about price in addressing 500 mile capability - only saying that range was available now. As I said, the Lucid was only mentioned because of the range. It seemed you might be hung up on 500 miles as a "need" - a range of 500 miles is really not a need for the great majority - chargers are about every 30-40 miles on major roads, really not a need for that capability. The real need for 500 miles is mainly when towing when range drops significantly, just like on an ICE - I already tow with an EV over long distances over mountain ranges that has a rated range of a little less than 300 miles normally without any real issues - longer range would be nice though.
Also your post specifically labeled the $125K as a base model - that was again, incorrect info since it clearly is not - I was attempting to correct by giving the correct base model pricing. That base model is good for over 400 miles which should be sufficient for most.
The Tesla Cybertruck has an estimated range of 500 miles at a cost of about $80k - should be available in a few months - we will see if they can meet those goals.
Good point - there are few ICE that are even close to the speed of the Tesla performance versions unless you get something like a BMW M, an Audi S or a MB AMG version. The ICE will most likely be about $10-20K higher with similar power and equipment and the Tesla will still out accelerate them.
Start speed is a small component when we compare the drivability/handling of these cars.
While the Model Y would perform pretty good at drag race only (straight line), it is not even close when comparing to sporty European sedans mentioned (BMW M, an Audi S or a MB AMG) on equipment and drivability (suspensions, brakes, chairs, safety, body roll, engine sound, control of transmission gear, etc).
Model Y it is not a sport car and yes there are huge differences when compared to luxury sport cars.
Good point - there are few ICE that are even close to the speed of the Tesla performance versions unless you get something like a BMW M, an Audi S or a MB AMG version. The ICE will most likely be about $10-20K higher with similar power and equipment and the Tesla will still out accelerate them.
Majority of people that buy EVs are not buying it solely on 0-60 performance. I'm tired of driving behind Tesla drivers doing under 60 on the highway. People are after efficiency and range, it's too easy to find an EV that can do 0-60 under 6 secs. Plus nobody cares anymore how fast EVs are straightline it's all well known. The aural and experience of a big engine can't be reproduced with any EV so regardless how popular Tesla and other EVs will get people will deep pockets will still buy a McLaren or Ferrari. Ferrari is not even gonna do an EV.
Start speed is a small component when we compare the drivability/handling of these cars.
While the Model Y would perform pretty good at drag race only (straight line), it is not even close when comparing to sporty European sedans mentioned (BMW M, an Audi S or a MB AMG) on drivability (suspensions, brakes, chairs, safety, body roll, engine sound, etc).
Model Y it is not a sport car and yes there are huge differences when compared to luxury sport cars.
For real world driving with all factors considered, I'd choose my M3P over every true sports car I have ever owned or driven, certainly everything remotely close to it's price point.
My Miata was WAY more fun to drive but meets none of the other important factors.
Good point - there are few ICE that are even close to the speed of the Tesla performance versions unless you get something like a BMW M, an Audi S or a MB AMG version. The ICE will most likely be about $10-20K higher with similar power and equipment and the Tesla will still out accelerate them.
It is not as simple as that. For example, the EV has the greater potential to accelerate faster than a comparable ICE counterpart, but eventually the ICE counterpart will catch and pass the EV. There are several videos of F1 and FE automobiles racing on wet tracks where you can see what I am referring to. The FE race car will accelerate quite fast, but soon after the F1 one will leave the EV in the dust. The difference is so great that F1 and FE race cars can be on the same racing event.
You can also watch EV and ICE trucks side by side towing heavy trailers. The EV will accelerate faster as long as there is enough tire traction, but the ICE truck will outlast the EV's battery by a long run.
That said, the average driver, both EV and ICE, aren't accelerating their automobiles excessively every time they drive. Most people aren't accelerating and maintaining a high speed to then slam the brakes to stop at the next traffic light. Yes, some do, but most aren't. Accelerate and drive fast requires greater energy consumption.
I forgot to mention the following about F1 and FE race cars: with these cars to have an FE that has as much HP as the F1 car, it would need an enormous battery, which in turn would make it too heavy. That's the reason why the FE battery cannot reach the amount of HP generated by the F1 6-cylinder hybrid engine (ICE assisted by electric motors). Just the engine alone produces from 800-900 HP, and the motors boost the HP by 160 HP. The FE counterpart still is from 200-400 pounds heavier than the F1 race car, but if one is interested in knowing the most advanced technologies of EV automobiles, keep an eye on FE racing around the world.
Start speed is a small component when we compare the drivability/handling of these cars.
While the Model Y would perform pretty good at drag race only (straight line), it is not even close when comparing to sporty European sedans mentioned (BMW M, an Audi S or a MB AMG) on equipment and drivability (suspensions, brakes, chairs, safety, body roll, engine sound, control of transmission gear, etc).
Model Y it is not a sport car and yes there are huge differences when compared to luxury sport cars.
Not talking about just start speed at drag strips - that is the one Tesla wins hands down and what you can do most of the time on the street. Maybe look at some professionals that have evaluated the Model S, Model 3 or Model Y performance versions against their similar ICE counterparts, often the Tesla Performance EV will be as quick or quicker around the track, that is not just straight line speed.
The Model S Plaid version's record around Nürburgring comes in between the Ferrari Enzo and Mercedes SLS AMG Black Series - cars that are much more expensive and not sedans.
Fifth gear out of UK put a standard Tesla Y against a Porsche Macan GTS and the Y came pretty close even though about $35K less expensive - unfortunately they did not test the performance model.
Also a Tesla Model Y set the fastest lap ever for any SUV at Buttonwillow track outside LA. From electrek;
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Surprising many at the track, the tuned Model Y completed its fastest lap in an eye-popping time of 2:01.92, setting a new record for SUVs at the track.
To put that time into context, the record lap puts it in the same bracket as some very expensive sports cars specifically designed for fast laps. The time was faster by nearly two tenths of a second than a Porsche 997 911 Turbo, and was within half a second of a Porsche 997 911 GT3.
The performance Model Y is pretty much a sports SUV.
Start speed is a small component when we compare the drivability/handling of these cars.
While the Model Y would perform pretty good at drag race only (straight line), it is not even close when comparing to sporty European sedans mentioned (BMW M, an Audi S or a MB AMG) on equipment and drivability (suspensions, brakes, chairs, safety, body roll, engine sound, control of transmission gear, etc).
Model Y it is not a sport car and yes there are huge differences when compared to luxury sport cars.
Agree on some points, don't agree on some. The Model Y Performance is super fast, has great handling and braking, excellent sound system, best in the world technology, comfortable seats but it falls down in comparison to say a BMW on luxury materials and features including sound insulation and ride. I'm comparing the Model Y to similar crossover functionality ICE vehicles.
It is not as simple as that. For example, the EV has the greater potential to accelerate faster than a comparable ICE counterpart, but eventually the ICE counterpart will catch and pass the EV. There are several videos of F1 and FE automobiles racing on wet tracks where you can see what I am referring to. The FE race car will accelerate quite fast, but soon after the F1 one will leave the EV in the dust. The difference is so great that F1 and FE race cars can be on the same racing event.
You can also watch EV and ICE trucks side by side towing heavy trailers. The EV will accelerate faster as long as there is enough tire traction, but the ICE truck will outlast the EV's battery by a long run.
That said, the average driver, both EV and ICE, aren't accelerating their automobiles excessively every time they drive. Most people aren't accelerating and maintaining a high speed to then slam the brakes to stop at the next traffic light. Yes, some do, but most aren't. Accelerate and drive fast requires greater energy consumption.
So the ice passing the EV in acceleration is normally only after 130+ MPH and 1/2 mile - you are not doing that on any street. Wet tracks is just limiting traction, who races in the wet normally.
In towing again - the EV will very much out tow the ICE due to the torque available - there are EVs that have towed much more weight like an X towing a large commercial aircraft or pulling a Semi out of the snow. Range on an EV is a function of battery, more batteries can be added if was a true need.
Also as an EV driver, I do accelerate briskly (excessively is an opinion) every time I drive but slowing is on regenerative braking - not "slamming" on brakes because it is not needed. It is addictive and really does not require much added energy - especially considering it costs me pennies per mile.
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