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I'm surprised that not too many people have noticed that the MH370 Boeing 777 jetliner may have been involved in a ground collision at Pudong International Airport (Shanghai, China) back in August 2012?
The news is talking about "oh, two passengers with stolen passport board MH370" blah blah blah. Yes, terrorism may have been a factor in this incident. But if terrorism, and an explosive device was the cause of the disappearance of MH370, then a terrorist group or cell would have already posted a video, making claims to the incident. So far, there have not been any claims by any terrorist organization.
Yes, I do know that Malaysia is a predominantly Muslim country, as well as other parts of SE Asia and the Philippines. However, we can't just point fingers at a certain religious group, based on their past activities.
Anyhow, here is an article from Channel News Asia, stating that the missing jet plane was involved in a ground collision, where the tip of the right wing, clipped the tail rudder of another jet plane.
This article does not have the picture of the outer 1/3 of the wing being clipped off from the collision. But if you Google search it, there is an NBC article that shows a picture of the right outer 1/3 of the wing, clipped off.
According to the ChannelNewsAsia article link I have posted above, the Boeing 777 jetplane involved in that ground collision was repaired, and deemed "safe to fly" after the repair.
I am wondering what kind of repair work did the mechanics do on the wing? Was a brand new wing attached to the body of the plane? Or did the mechanics solder the outer 1/3 of the wing back to the original wing that was attached to the body of the plane?
Did the right wing of the airplane fall off after two hours into the flight, and caused the plane to capsize?
Here is my hypothesis: Cracks caused by constant stress and pressure from flying may have caused the outer 1/3 of the original broken wing (right side) to fall off.
This caused the plane to sway either to the left or right (yaw). The pilot tried to correct the angle by turning the plane to even it out. However, while leveling the horizontal level of the plane, the plane may have capsized (turned upside down - belly up).
After the plane capsized, the plane PLUMETTED towards the ocean at a super high speed, causing everybody (including the pilots) to black out.
Hence, no time to send out distress signal. According to one source, the plane plumetted 600 meters, before disappearing from the radar monitor.
When the plane plummeted towards the ocean, it did not break up into pieces. Hence, it's probably mainly intact at the bottom of the ocean somewhere.
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Prayers to all the surviving family members. I don't know, but this incident is making me slightly depressed. It's as if I lost a loved one or family member from this incident.
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One other possibility is maybe the plane landed on the ocean in one piece (Hudson River style), but quickly sunk (perhaps the lost signal/contact in the air and it happened so quickly). Someone said that in here, it was a smart and interesting suggestion.
^^ Yeah, I too am guessing that the plane crashed into the ocean in one piece.
I don't think terrorism was involved in this incident. If there was a hijacking that occurred, number one, the door to the cockpit is locked tight, esp. after 9-11. So the hijacker would have given the pilots notice that there was a hijacking going on, and the pilots would have notified the nearest control tower to send fighter jets to accomodate/escort the jetplane to land at the nearest airport.
Yes, there were up to four passengers who boarded the plane with fake or stolen passports. It's a shame that the authorities at the Kuala Lumpur airport did not catch this, or make any efforts to cross-check with the interpol clearing house database of stolen passports. Shame shame shame! However, I still don't think terrorism and an explosive was involved in this incident.
I don't think that an explosive blew up the plane in midair. If that happened, then there would be a wide dispersed area of debris, floating on the surface of the ocean water.
Anyhow, let's pray for investigators to quickly find the jet plane, as well as the grieving family members.
Heck, if this happened to any of my family members, involved in a plane crash incident, I would go into severe depression/suicide mode.
What about Black box or Flight Data Recorder? Even in the case of plane crashing down in water, Black Box is known to emit signals. They are not able to get any signal.
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I thought those beacons had a limited range; don't you need to know at least a general area in which to search before you can expect to pick up the signal?
The ELT signal usually gets activated when there is a crash and its signal is picked up by satellite. They emit signals always on the same frequency (which can be heard also by pilots on their aircraft radios if they are tuned to that particular emergency frequency within a certain range). If the black box (which is really orange in color) is under water in a very deep area, it might stop transmitting those signals.
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I'm surprised that not too many people have noticed that the MH370 Boeing 777 jetliner may have been involved in a ground collision at Pudong International Airport (Shanghai, China) back in August 2012?
Anyhow, here is an article from Channel News Asia, stating that the missing jet plane was involved in a ground collision, where the tip of the right wing, clipped the tail rudder of another jet plane.
This article does not have the picture of the outer 1/3 of the wing being clipped off from the collision. But if you Google search it, there is an NBC article that shows a picture of the right outer 1/3 of the wing, clipped off.
According to the ChannelNewsAsia article link I have posted above, the Boeing 777 jetplane involved in that ground collision was repaired, and deemed "safe to fly" after the repair.
I am wondering what kind of repair work did the mechanics do on the wing? Was a brand new wing attached to the body of the plane? Or did the mechanics solder the outer 1/3 of the wing back to the original wing that was attached to the body of the plane?
The wing was fixed and checked by mechanics and this was not the first flight of this aircraft since the repair. From what I understand the wing was repaired (and not replaced with a whole new wing) and if this was connected to the crash it is unlikely that it would have caused a sudden disintegration of the plane where the pilots had no time to try to correct the situation and send out a Mayday signal.
I know it's rather a speculation, but based on what little evidence there is and the calm excellent flying conditions, experienced crew etc... the whole thing reeks of terrorism.
Also, a bomb does not need to be able to blow a plane apart to cause an accident. Remember the Turkish Airlines DC-10 cargo door failure, that was enough to cause the flight controls to be disabled and render the plane totally uncontrollable. Not a bomb, but many shoe bomb type devices may be capable of severely disrupting the plane's flight control systems and electronics etc... without actually "blowing the plane up" as such, and cause a loss of control and crash.
Some of you conspiracy nuts have been watching too much TV. People actually think the pilot could steal a freaking 777 and land it at a remote airport unnoticed? Which unoccupied airport has a 2-mile runway? And how would they refuel it after it landed? Maybe The Professor is onboard the plane and he can distill 50,000 gallons of aviation fuel from coconuts while Ginger & Mary Ann keep guard on the 250 passengers.
If you turn the transponder off, the plane vanishes from radar screens. Any terrorist onboard could easily storm the cockpit and force the crew to turn the transponder off and direct the plane to some other destination. In that scenario, the plane could've run out of fuel over an ocean or remote land a great distance from where it actually disappeared from radar screens.
However, the pilots would still be able to communicate with ATC, although in a hijacking it is plausable that they were forced not to respond.
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Still amazing that it hasn't been found!
I know it's rather a speculation, but based on what little evidence there is and the calm excellent flying conditions, experienced crew etc... the whole thing reeks of terrorism.
Also, a bomb does not need to be able to blow a plane apart to cause an accident. Remember the Turkish Airlines DC-10 cargo door failure, that was enough to cause the flight controls to be disabled and render the plane totally uncontrollable. Not a bomb, but many shoe bomb type devices may be capable of severely disrupting the plane's flight control systems and electronics etc... without actually "blowing the plane up" as such, and cause a loss of control and crash.
I think they should start looking in the direction of any ocean currents that likely have carried the debris away. And send out divers. All they've done so far is an aerial search, and in that time between the incident and the launch of the search any currents could have dispersed the wreckage a long way.
Certainly looks like a terrorist bomb or a door failure of some sort, although I would think if such an incident occured, it would be heard in the ATC controller's headset just before all contact was lost.
The ELT signal usually gets activated when there is a crash and its signal is picked up by satellite. They emit signals always on the same frequency (which can be heard also by pilots on their aircraft radios if they are tuned to that particular emergency frequency within a certain range). If the black box (which is really orange in color) is under water in a very deep area, it might stop transmitting those signals.
The wing was fixed and checked by mechanics and this was not the first flight of this aircraft since the repair. From what I understand the wing was repaired (and not replaced with a whole new wing) and if this was connected to the crash it is unlikely that it would have caused a sudden disintegration of the plane where the pilots had no time to try to correct the situation and send out a Mayday signal.
The ELT signal usually gets activated when there is a crash and its signal is picked up by satellite.
Are you sure about that. The ELTs that I am familiar with only transmit on 121.5 Mhz, which can be picked up by other planes and ATC as you pointed out, but not any satellites that I am aware of.
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The wing was fixed and checked by mechanics and this was not the first flight of this aircraft since the repair. From what I understand the wing was repaired (and not replaced with a whole new wing) and if this was connected to the crash it is unlikely that it would have caused a sudden disintegration of the plane where the pilots had no time to try to correct the situation and send out a Mayday signal.
If you turn the transponder off, the plane vanishes from radar screens.
Not true. There are two radars: primary and secondary. Primary gives just a blip on the screen and works without the transponder. Secondary supplies more information provided by the transponder.
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