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Old 05-21-2016, 05:54 AM
 
Location: Bel Air, California
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Any possibility that one pilot was trying to commit suicide and the other was trying to prevent the plane going down and this caused some the strange movements of the plane before going down into the sea?!
that hardly ever happens
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Old 05-21-2016, 07:59 AM
 
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Any possibility that one pilot was trying to commit suicide and the other was trying to prevent the plane going down and this caused some the strange movements of the plane before going down into the sea?!
That occurred on flight 990 in 1999, right?
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Old 05-21-2016, 10:27 AM
 
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That occurred on flight 990 in 1999, right?
It has happened before.
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Old 05-21-2016, 12:19 PM
 
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It has happened before.
Batouty and another pilot were both at the controls at the same time. Obviously the other guy and everyone else on the plane lost.

Also when the Ethiopian plane in 1996 was hijacked and forced to go to the Comoros (a chain of islands in the Indian Ocean, off of Africa) the pilot was trying to land the plane at the country's main airport but the hijackers tried to mess with the controls. The pilot lost sight of the airport and he had to ditch in the ocean. About two-thirds of the passengers died when the plane broke up upon hitting the water, mainly from inflating their life jackets inside the cabin.
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Old 05-21-2016, 01:48 PM
 
Location: South Park, San Diego
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Here's the ACARS report:


Nothing indicating a sudden decompression.

In total, it seems to suggest a fire on-board the aircraft.



Aviate, Navigate, Communicate.

Also, given the smoke alerts it is possible that the crew became incapacitated at some point.
My completely non-expert opinion: it's looking more and more like a malfunction/fire or failure of critical systems; another Airbus design failure. Especially because of the timeline and location of the sensor readings

What terrorist group is going to take down an airliner of an Islamic nation full of Muslims (yes, there are non-Islamic terrorists, no, they don't amount to anything compared to Islamists)? Let's be honest here, if it's not a hijacking to try to release militant prisoners being held in said countries, the targets are almost always western nations to cause the most coverage, and, terror. And with no claim of responsibility, that's where my supposition lies.
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Old 05-21-2016, 03:54 PM
 
Location: City Data Land
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When there are no more terrorists to blow jets out of the air - we will have closure.
Why do people instantly leap to the conclusion that it's a bomb? The vast majority of plane crashes that occur (including the other Egypt Air crash 17 years ago) are caused by other factors
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Old 05-21-2016, 04:37 PM
 
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Why do people instantly leap to the conclusion that it's a bomb? The vast majority of plane crashes that occur (including the other Egypt Air crash 17 years ago) are caused by other factors
Because to do otherwise would create a system where only the first person to predict what did or did not happens gets lumped in with Hillary or the Obama administrations. Better to speak out of turn and blame everything on those that we have an ugly habit of being blamed for everything already.
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Old 05-21-2016, 05:40 PM
 
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What terrorist group is going to take down an airliner of an Islamic nation full of Muslims (yes, there are non-Islamic terrorists, no, they don't amount to anything compared to Islamists)? Let's be honest here, if it's not a hijacking to try to release militant prisoners being held in said countries, the targets are almost always western nations to cause the most coverage, and, terror. And with no claim of responsibility, that's where my supposition lies.
Muslims are by far the most common victims of terrorism by other Muslims. Just think of all the marketplace suicide bombings that occur throughout the Middle East.
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Old 05-21-2016, 06:37 PM
 
Location: South Park, San Diego
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Muslims are by far the most common victims of terrorism by other Muslims. Just think of all the marketplace suicide bombings that occur throughout the Middle East.
You are correct there. What is mostly occurring is Sunni vs Shiite in contested territories in Iraq (where it will always exist) as well as militias vs regime in Syria. Outside of that are mostly small scale bombings or shootings with relatively few victims in western countries or known western haunts in Asian or Middle East areas that provokes great press coverage and near hysteria for a while, until the next incident. Aviation targets are a rarity, and difficult, though are sure to evoke the greatest "terror" and thus are almost always western in nature.

I'm just saying that phenomenon, coupled with the sensor faults leaves me to believe it is more likely an aircraft systems failure.
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Old 05-21-2016, 11:17 PM
 
Location: Niceville, FL
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I'm not saying whether it's malice or mechanical error that brought the plane down but I will note that Egypt's internal political struggles right now are messy and violent and terrorism actions in the country are as likely to be about that as they about Isis or Shi'ite v. Sunni.
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