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Old 08-10-2011, 06:52 PM
 
Location: Albuquerque, NM
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Originally Posted by filihok View Post
Easiest way is to use pythagorian record.

The White Sox have allowed 471 runs this year while scoring 457 runs.
The average AL team is scoring 4.35 runs per game.
4.35 * 113 games played for the White Sox is 492 runs scored.

Using a Pythag Record Calculator like this one:
RLYW Calculators
tells us that the White Sox should expect a .489 winning percentage
(24 wins in the 49 remaining games)

.489 * 162 = 79 wins.
That didn't make sense.

Doing it over I get that the White Sox should get 25 wins in the 49 remaining games. That's a .511 winning percentage.

.511*162 = 83 wins.

That's better
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Old 08-10-2011, 07:26 PM
 
Location: Hometown of Jason Witten
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So, yeah... wins for pitchers...

Kyle Kendrick comes in to pitch the 5th and the Phillies trailing 6-5. He gives up a run and is pinch-hit for in the top of the 6th. The Phillies score 4 runs in the top of the 6th to take a lead they'd never give up. The winning pitcher, for giving up a run in his only inning of work? Kyle Kendrick.
This does not happen often enough to be a major contributor to pitchers' win totals.
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Old 08-10-2011, 07:41 PM
 
Location: Tucson, AZ
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This does not happen often enough to be a major contributor to pitchers' win totals.
It's a flawed enough stat that it should never be used to argue for a pitchers effectiveness, or lack thereof. This is an example of that.
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Old 08-10-2011, 07:44 PM
 
Location: The City
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It's a flawed enough stat that it should never be used to argue for a pitchers effectiveness, or lack thereof. This is an example of that.

But Kendrick is more an exception, a part time starter, these wins are not make or brak for any relevant stats. The shame is no pitcher deserved a win for either squad in this game. Actually bastardo was the only pitcher that really did anything to shut anything down for either squad in the game. Regardless this win make me think more about Beltrans comments and why i am glad he is not a Phil
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Old 08-10-2011, 08:00 PM
 
Location: Albuquerque, NM
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Winners!!!!
Tim Wakefield. 6.3 innings, 10 hits, 2 home runs, 1 walk, 4 strike outs, 7 earned runs
Tommy Hansen 6 innings, 7 hits, 1 home run, 1 walk, 7 strike outs, 6 earned runs
JA Happ 5.7 innings, 7 hits, 2 home runs, 4 walks, 3 strike outs, 5 earned runs

Losers:0(
CJ Wilson 8 innings (complete game), 2 hits, 0 home runs, 1 walk, 8 strike outs, 0 earned runs
Tim Lincecum 7 innings, 5 hits, 1 home run, 4 walks, 7 strike outs, 1 earned runs

THT Awards

THT does an article every week about statistical absurdities. These games are from the week of 7/18 to 7/24.

I didn't include no decisions in outings like:
Phil Hughes 4.3 innings, 9 hits, 1 home run, 4 walks, 3 strike outs, 7 earned runs
Justin Masterson 7.7 innings, 4 hits, 0 home runs, 0 walks, 6 strike outs, 0 earned runs.

Any stat that values Masterson's and Hughes' games the same, and values those two games plus the games pitched by Wake, Hansen and Happ more than Wilson's or Lincecum's game is a crap stat.
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Old 08-10-2011, 08:03 PM
 
Location: The City
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Originally Posted by filihok View Post
Winners!!!!
Tim Wakefield. 6.3 innings, 10 hits, 2 home runs, 1 walk, 4 strike outs, 7 earned runs
Tommy Hansen 6 innings, 7 hits, 1 home run, 1 walk, 7 strike outs, 6 earned runs
JA Happ 5.7 innings, 7 hits, 2 home runs, 4 walks, 3 strike outs, 5 earned runs

Losers:0(
CJ Wilson 8 innings (complete game), 2 hits, 0 home runs, 1 walk, 8 strike outs, 0 earned runs
Tim Lincecum 7 innings, 5 hits, 1 home run, 4 walks, 7 strike outs, 1 earned runs

THT Awards

THT does an article every week about statistical absurdities. These games are from the week of 7/18 to 7/24.

I didn't include no decisions in outings like:
Phil Hughes 4.3 innings, 9 hits, 1 home run, 4 walks, 3 strike outs, 7 earned runs
Justin Masterson 7.7 innings, 4 hits, 0 home runs, 0 walks, 6 strike outs, 0 earned runs.

Any stat that values Masterson's and Hughes' games the same, and values those two games plus the games pitched by Wake, Hansen and Happ more than Wilson's or Lincecum's game is a crap stat.
Agreed - Last year I believe that Hamels had 8 starts of 7+ innings and 3 or fewer earned runs that were all loses
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Old 08-10-2011, 10:00 PM
 
Location: Albuquerque, NM
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Agreed - Last year I believe that Hamels had 8 starts of 7+ innings and 3 or fewer earned runs that were all loses
Actually, 5.
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Old 08-10-2011, 10:07 PM
 
Location: Albuquerque, NM
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Filihok: Royals release Kyle Davies: Worst pitcher of all time?

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The Royals released Kyle Davies today.

Davies has the worst ERA in the history of major league pitchers with more than 100 career decisions - 5.59.

However, he does not have the worst adjusted ERA. Davies' ERA+ of 77 is 2 points better than Phil Ortega's.

Ortega is 46 - 62 4.43 in 952 innings pitching for the Dodgers, Senators, and Angels.
Davies is 42 - 65 5.59 in 768 innings pitching for the Braves and Royals.

The era in which a pitcher plied his trade makes a big difference.
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Old 08-10-2011, 10:14 PM
 
Location: The City
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maybe it was 8 with either a no decision or loss; I remember it being silly for how well he pitched
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Old 08-10-2011, 10:19 PM
 
Location: Albuquerque, NM
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maybe it was 8 with either a no decision or loss; I remember it being silly for how well he pitched
Pitching Game Finder -- - Baseball-Reference.com

6 no decisions in which he pitched 7+ innings with 3 or less earned runs
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