And then there were two... (Boston, Heath: sales, public schools, taxi)

[WestieWhitie]

Ummm, San Francisco can build anymore? It’s 95% low-density single families and low-rises, nothing gets built because no developer would touch it with a parsec-long pole due to rent control.

Also no comment on Minneapolis? Don’t forget, it’s very similar to Boston demographically and its violent crime rate was actually slightly lower than Boston’s before defundies showed up.

Originally Posted by MassNative2891

I mean....does that mean the city of Boston is going to be printing out unlimited Charlie Cards? Had to double check but the City doesn't control the T...so the only way this works is if Boston foots the bill. Perk of living in the city, would be cool.

San Fran also can't build anymore. Boston can.

[BruinsGirl]

What I really don’t understand in this country is … if you want to play in socialism why does it need to be that expensive? For example I know people living in section 8 basically in downtown. Why? If somebody gets something almost for free, why should it be prime realestate ? Give them apartments in cheaper places of Boston, so state doesn’t subside such huge amounts.

[Space_League]

Originally Posted by BruinsGirl

What I really don’t understand in this country is … if you want to play in socialism why does it need to be that expensive? For example I know people living in section 8 basically in downtown. Why? If somebody gets something almost for free, why should it be prime realestate ? Give them apartments in cheaper places of Boston, so state doesn’t subside such huge amounts.

the projects in nice neighborhoods seem to produce a lot better results overall. charlestown has absolutely massive housing projects that aren't hotbeds of crime . South end also has projects that are decent but do seem to have more issues than bunker hill

Ones in worse neighborhoods tend to be disasters zones (franklin fields)

then theres the bad ones like Bromley Heath that are still bad but hard to tell if they are really in a bad neighborhood or if the neighborhood is only still bad because the projects are there and without them it would have been fully gentrified

[Space_League]

Also I think the nicer projects are HARD to get into on a lottery system. You can't just get a spot in bunker hill because you're poor.You have to apply and potentially wait years to get a spot there. This leads to decent looking apartments turning into overcrowded flop houses when the nice lady who owns it can't say no to sister and her sister's three kids and her niece and niece's boyfriend and their 4 kids and they all end up in a unit meant for 2 people

[BruinsGirl]

Thank you… it’s just mind boggling seeing great apartments at Peterborough… I think Peterborough 110. Very nice building from where you can easily walk to Prudential…. while working even upper middle class is lucky to buy something in Brighton.

[Urban Peasant]

Originally Posted by WestieWhitie

Wu’s supporters are mostly minorities, clueless starry-eyed childults and limousine liberals. The latter is a lost cause but the former two can be reasoned with once they are brought to realization that wu’s policies will inevitably result in them being gentrified out or priced out. Gloves need to come off - Pravda is tying George to all sorts of trumphitlerisms, Wu needs to have SF and Minneapolis plastered all over that smug mug of hers.

That ship has already sailed. A large number of minorities have already moved out of Boston over the years because they cannot afford the City anymore. Take a look at Boston's Chinatown. All of those buildings with storefronts on the first floor used to have ethnic Chinese residents on the top floors but not anymore. Many have moved to Quincy, Malden, and elsewhere and old Chinatown pretty much caters to students, tourists, Gweilos (heh heh) and a dwindling number of residents. Same goes with the once large Latino population in Jamaica Plain, many of which have moved elsewhere as well. Boston is already nearly as expensive as SF, New York, Washington D.C., and other coastal cities. It will continue to experiencing gentrification with or without Wu. I don't even think Essaibi-George can put a stop to it. The only thing that can stop gentrification is when supply starts outstripping demand i.e. Boston no longer is an attractive city to live in. Does anyone really want that?

[GeePee]

Originally Posted by BruinsGirl

What I really don’t understand in this country is … if you want to play in socialism why does it need to be that expensive? For example I know people living in section 8 basically in downtown. Why? If somebody gets something almost for free, why should it be prime realestate ? Give them apartments in cheaper places of Boston, so state doesn’t subside such huge amounts.

This was Menino's plan

[GeePee]

Originally Posted by Space_League

then theres the bad ones like Bromley Heath that are still bad but hard to tell if they are really in a bad neighborhood or if the neighborhood is only still bad because the projects are there and without them it would have been fully gentrified

Fort Hill and the surrounding JP areas of Lamartine have pretty much gentrified. the Latin Quarter up to Hyde Square has also cleaned up but not fully gentrified. I think Bromley Heath is exactly the culprit.

[Mayei]

Originally Posted by Space_League

Yeah I think George did sound pretty good here. I was surprised by how similar they did sound in certain parts. Wu has a lot of extremely detailed plans on paper but she didn't seem to bring those strengths to the table in this particular debate. She was more vague about things and seemed to rely more on emotional appeal, seemed on the verge of tears at some points randomly.

George came across as firm, fair, direct. She seemed much more assertive than Wu who seemed more sensitive (both of these affects may have been intentional) but also to be making a concerted effort to remain cordial and not let her inner Dot rat come out.

All around I think I would prefer to see George in the office just based on this debate, but don't think Wu will be too bad when she most likely wins it.

Basically agree with everything you said here.

[Mayei]

Originally Posted by Space_League

the projects in nice neighborhoods seem to produce a lot better results overall. charlestown has absolutely massive housing projects that aren't hotbeds of crime . South end also has projects that are decent but do seem to have more issues than bunker hill

Ones in worse neighborhoods tend to be disasters zones (franklin fields)

then theres the bad ones like Bromley Heath that are still bad but hard to tell if they are really in a bad neighborhood or if the neighborhood is only still bad because the projects are there and without them it would have been fully gentrified

Rings true - the projects in Brighton are very low key. There have been some reports of crime but nothing like what you hear going on in other areas.