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Giant Center in Hershey: https://www.hersheyentertainment.com/giant-center/info/ (say if an arena was built on the site mentioned in the article, you could call a team something like the Southtowns Stampede, to give a similar connection to the proximity to the Bills stadium and Buffalo(think also about what a group of said animal does), while identifying with that part of the metro area. Could even call the town center that as well.)
and Hersheypark Stadium, which hosts the PA HS Football championships and more: https://www.hersheyentertainment.com...ypark-stadium/ (Hershey is a similar distance from Downtown Harrisburg to that of the stadium site to Downtown Buffalo. Derry Township PA, which is is where Hershey is located, has about 25,000 people.)
So, these are some examples that could be considered for the site.
What in the world does Hershey Pennsylvania have to do with the Bills Stadium? Hersheypark has been around since 1906. Hershey's has been around since 1894 and is an iconic American company. 93% of Americans recognize the brand. None of this has any relevance to Orchard Park, which has a whopping 3108 residents. Why don't you just admit nothing is going to happen around the new stadium, instead of bringing in examples which are totally irrelevant?
What in the world does Hershey Pennsylvania have to do with the Bills Stadium? Hersheypark has been around since 1906. Hershey's has been around since 1894 and is an iconic American company. 93% of Americans recognize the brand. None of this has any relevance to Orchard Park, which has a whopping 3108 residents. Why don't you just admit nothing is going to happen around the new stadium, instead of bringing in examples which are totally irrelevant?
Again, I'm referring to ideas for year round development of the land near the stadium. Instead of interjecting midway through the thread, go back to the posted article about said potential development. https://buffalonews.com/news/local/b...f1ad22ce1.html
Again, I'm referring to ideas for year round development of the land near the stadium. Instead of interjecting midway through the thread, go back to the posted article about said potential development. https://buffalonews.com/news/local/b...f1ad22ce1.html
The Mckinly Mall, located in the larger town had to file bankruptcy. It opened with 80 stores, and now has 62. It was recently sold for $8.5 million.
Given that your proposals would cost a minimum of $100 million, just how will this work again?
McKinley Mall is also an indoor mall, which has generally fallen out of favor in terms of a shopping experience versus a town/lifestyle center which would be more of a planned community with shopping, entertainment, amenities, residential, etc. with walkability as well(aka-a mixed use development). So, that would be the difference. An example of such a design/built environment is this of the Bowie Town Center in MD: https://www.google.com/maps/@38.9440...8192?entry=ttu
Township 5 fulfills much of this minus the walkable community(at least in totality), which would come with a true town/lifestyle center. Ironically, in Camillus, Fairmount Fair and Camillus Mall were former indoor shopping malls that became plazas, with the former Camillus Mall location becoming Camillus Commons(current street views were posted earlier in the thread). All are doing fine as they are now and offer something different, which is key in all of them being viable shopping locations.
Green Bay has a little over 107,000 people and Ashwaubenon has about 17,000 people. That isn't much more than the towns of Hamburg and Orchard Park, let alone other nearby towns and the city of Buffalo 15-20 minutes away.
McKinley Mall is also an indoor mall, which has generally fallen out of favor in terms of a shopping experience versus a town/lifestyle center which would be more of a planned community with shopping, entertainment, amenities, residential, etc. with walkability as well(aka-a mixed use development). So, that would be the difference. An example of such a design/built environment is this of the Bowie Town Center in MD: https://www.google.com/maps/@38.9440...8192?entry=ttu
Township 5 fulfills much of this minus the walkable community(at least in totality), which would come with a true town/lifestyle center. Ironically, in Camillus, Fairmount Fair and Camillus Mall were former indoor shopping malls that became plazas, with the former Camillus Mall location becoming Camillus Commons(current street views were posted earlier in the thread). All are doing fine as they are now and offer something different, which is key in all of them being viable shopping locations.
Green Bay has a little over 107,000 people and Ashwaubenon has about 17,000 people. That isn't much more than the towns of Hamburg and Orchard Park, let alone other nearby towns and the city of Buffalo 15-20 minutes away.
Again, you didn't answer the question. Just regurgitating the same thing every single time. It's not about water parks, chocolate candy, or toys. It's about football. The Bills. Title City is different. Th GB Packers are a storied team who won the first 2 Superbowls, and 3 others. I do understand that being a large draw, but this "project" would most likely only draw local. Where would the absolute minimum 1000+ paying customers every single day come from???
Green Bay has a little over 107,000 people and Ashwaubenon has about 17,000 people. That isn't much more than the towns of Hamburg and Orchard Park, let alone other nearby towns and the city of Buffalo 15-20 minutes away.
Yeah, pretty close. 124,000, compared to 90,000. This kind of stuff, being lax with the numbers doesn't work in the real world. The "difference" is larger than Orchard Park itself. Jesh.
Again, you didn't answer the question. Just regurgitating the same thing every single time. It's not about water parks, chocolate candy, or toys. It's about football. The Bills. Title City is different. Th GB Packers are a storied team who won the first 2 Superbowls, and 3 others. I do understand that being a large draw, but this "project" would most likely only draw local. Where would the absolute minimum 1000+ paying customers every single day come from???
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Yeah, pretty close. 124,000, compared to 90,000. This kind of stuff, being lax with the numbers doesn't work in the real world. The "difference" is larger than Orchard Park itself. Jesh.
I'm repeating the same things, because the point is about development not just Football. So, the number of Super Bowls the Packers have won and all of this other stuff that tries to manipulate the topic is irrelevant, as it is about development that brings year round activity.
The population difference isn't really that much more, considering you also have places like West Seneca(45,500 people), Lackawanna(just under 20,000), Elma(11,721), Aurora(town, a little under 14,000), Evans(15,308), Eden(about 7600), Boston(a little under 8000), Colden(3121) and other Southtowns, as well as the city of Buffalo adjacent to or a short drive from Orchard Park/Hamburg. Green Bay is a metro area of about 330,000 people, while the Southtowns may have close to that by themselves. Let alone the metro area/surrounding population.
I'm repeating the same things, because the point is about development not just Football. So, the number of Super Bowls the Packers have won and all of this other stuff that tries to manipulate the topic is irrelevant, as it is about development that brings year round activity.
The population difference isn't really that much more, considering you also have places like West Seneca(45,500 people), Lackawanna(just under 20,000), Elma(11,721), Aurora(town, a little under 14,000), Evans(15,308), Eden(about 7600), Boston(a little under 8000), Colden(3121) and other Southtowns, as well as the city of Buffalo adjacent to or a short drive from Orchard Park/Hamburg. Green Bay is a metro area of about 330,000 people, while the Southtowns may have close to that by themselves. Let alone the metro area/surrounding population.
No you're not. You keep changing to fit your needs. Why can YOU sight a certain example, but others don't count?
Keep in mind that they have a much larger selection of stores, restaurants, and entertainment at McKinley Mall or Walden Galleria. No retailer that isn't already in the region would put their lone "Buffalo" store in Orchard Park. So who exactly will be locating in your dream?
You're also forgetting that Green Bay has Milwaukee nearby (GBP) are their team, as well as Madison, and other large cities. Oh yeah, Chicago is not much farther.
No you're not. You keep changing to fit your needs. Why can YOU sight a certain example, but others don't count?
Keep in mind that they have a much larger selection of stores, restaurants, and entertainment at McKinley Mall or Walden Galleria. No retailer that isn't already in the region would put their lone "Buffalo" store in Orchard Park. So who exactly will be locating in your dream?
You're also forgetting that Green Bay has Milwaukee nearby (GBP) are their team, as well as Madison, and other large cities. Oh yeah, Chicago is not much farther.
It isn’t about just retail though, but about mixed use. That has been my point and that of the article, as well as Urban Peasant all along.
Like I mentioned with Township 5, you get retail, entertainment, etc. that would be unique. For instance, the Buffalo area doesn’t have a Von Maur, a FunnyBone, a WonderWorks, etc. That is what you would have to do for a new development. Bring in things that aren’t in the area, that would be viable or even things that side of town may not have.
Chicago has the Bears and is further away. Green Bay does get fans from Michigan’s Upper Peninsula, but that is relatively sparely populated. Maybe some from NE Minnesota. Wisconsin has almost 6 million people and some closer to the Twin Cities may be Vikings fans.
Yet, Buffalo has the Golden Horseshoe of Ontario(9 million people), the Rochester metro(1.1 million), much of the Twin Tiers, NW PA all of the Finger Lakes and some/much of the Syracuse area within a couple of hours, give or take of Highmark Stadium. This isn’t even counting the 15% of season ticket holders from Canada factor. So, there are way more people within a reasonable distance of the site mentioned in the article and in turn, more potential visitors aside from more potential residents to live at the site with 1.2 million people in the metro area.
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Chicago has the Bears and is further away. Green Bay does get fans from Michigan’s Upper Peninsula, but that is relatively sparely populated. Maybe some from NE Minnesota.
Yet, Buffalo has the Golden Horseshoe of Ontario(9 million people), the Rochester metro(1.1 million), much of the Twin Tiers, NW PA and much of the Finger Lakes, as well as some/much of the Syracuse area within a couple of hours, give or take of Highmark Stadium. This isn’t even counting the 15% of season ticket holders from Canada factor. So, there are way more people within a reasonable distance of the site mentioned in the article and in turn, more potential visitors aside from more potential residents to live at the site with 1.2 million people in the metro area.
No. Once again, your "facts" are "Correct" but everyone elses are not. What a joke. You are not being taken serious.
Please, just answer the question. What, when, where, who, whatever will be investing money in this this "idea", and how it will work.
That's a wide open question. Design what you are talking about. Not what somewhere else has done.
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