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I think the key piece is if ECC can make the move to the area, which is what this appears to be banking on. it also could indicate that there is a rough plan for potential development near the stadium. So, it will be interesting to see if anything does come out of this.
ECC is moving. Not to mention, they will have to get a lot of money for their existing campus to make that move. After that, any developer would have to level the place, after asbestos remediation, of course, and the project wouldn't work.
It would have to be a massive town square type development (10,000+) to work, and it doesn't appear that the town would want that. Any development will most likely be on the smaller parcels, and most likely are already under contract if so.
ECC is moving. Not to mention, they will have to get a lot of money for their existing campus to make that move. After that, any developer would have to level the place, after asbestos remediation, of course, and the project wouldn't work.
It would have to be a massive town square type development (10,000+) to work, and it doesn't appear that the town would want that. Any development will most likely be on the smaller parcels, and most likely are already under contract if so.
I also think that is why the hotel piece would have to be included. I'm thinking that a development such as Patriot Place near Gillette Stadium would be an example of what could be possible at that location: https://www.patriot-place.com/
I also think that is why the hotel piece would have to be included. I'm thinking that a development such as Patriot Place near Gillette Stadium would be an example of what could be possible at that location: https://www.patriot-place.com/
How could a development like that happen in Orchard Park? Who would pay for it? Who would go there enough to keep it alive?
Boston is 4-5 times the size of Buffalo. Ad to that, the nearby cities of Providence and Hartford. Each one larger than Buffalo. There's also Springfield and Worcester nearby. The Patriots regionalized, and became the "New England" Patriots.
I could go on, but you would think they would have planned the location a little better, to support a project like that.
How could a development like that happen in Orchard Park? Who would pay for it? Who would go there enough to keep it alive?
Boston is 4-5 times the size of Buffalo. Ad to that, the nearby cities of Providence and Hartford. Each one larger than Buffalo. There's also Springfield and Worcester nearby. The Patriots regionalized, and became the "New England" Patriots.
I could go on, but you would think they would have planned the location a little better, to support a project like that.
Foxborough is actually in between Boston and Providence. So, it is a good distance from both of those cities and even further from Hartford and Springfield.
You have to keep in mind that if you have ECC, hotels and a retail base by the stadium, it can be viable. There is enough of a population in the Southtowns and with visitors, it isn’t far fetched at all.
Buffalo and Hartford are very similar in population and in land size, but with a major Canadian region and other nearby areas, there are definitely enough people that would visit the area on a regular basis.
Foxborough is actually in between Boston and Providence. So, it is a good distance from both of those cities and even further from Hartford and Springfield.
You have to keep in mind that if you have ECC, hotels and a retail base by the stadium, it can be viable. There is enough of a population in the Southtowns and with visitors, it isn’t far fetched at all.
Buffalo and Hartford are very similar in population and in land size, but with a major Canadian region and other nearby areas, there are definitely enough people that would visit the area on a regular basis.
ECC and 3 hotels are already there. if there was a need for this, don't you think there would be development after 50 years? The most they could attract would be a McDonalds, a Starbucks, a Bills store (already there), and possibly a Bills themed restaurant. To build what you are proposing would compete directly with Walden Galleria, and most likely cause financial issues with both places.
Also, keep in mind the Boston team regionalized. if you live anywhere in New England, they are your team. There is no such allegiance for the Bills. They are another cities' team to most anyone outside of Buffalo. No mater what, they couldn't attract a business that isn't already prevalent in upstate, so what would the purpose be to drive from Syracuse more than once?
If this is something that you think will work, and others just can't see it, why not put together an LLC and get it done?
ECC and 3 hotels are already there. if there was a need for this, don't you think there would be development after 50 years? The most they could attract would be a McDonalds, a Starbucks, a Bills store (already there), and possibly a Bills themed restaurant. To build what you are proposing would compete directly with Walden Galleria, and most likely cause financial issues with both places.
Also, keep in mind the Boston team regionalized. if you live anywhere in New England, they are your team. There is no such allegiance for the Bills. They are another cities' team to most anyone outside of Buffalo. No mater what, they couldn't attract a business that isn't already prevalent in upstate, so what would the purpose be to drive from Syracuse more than once?
If this is something that you think will work, and others just can't see it, why not put together an LLC and get it done?
ECC is looking to move from its current location and if you just look at the first part of the article, it is looking at the possibility of retail, a hotel and housing.
It wouldn't compete with Walden Galleria, as it would be right by the stadium, while Walden Galleria is in Cheektowaga and about 15-20 minutes away.
Gillette Stadium doesn't have anything to do with the name of the team or allegiance. If anything, the Bills have a bigger population pull. It is about creating a development that would allow for the property to be active more than just on game days. Especially with the available land in the area. Besides the students, think about those they work for the organization/in the area and those that visit the area, whether it is the weekend of a game or not.
ECC is looking to move from its current location and if you just look at the first part of the article, it is looking at the possibility of retail, a hotel and housing.
It wouldn't compete with Walden Galleria, as it would be right by the stadium, while Walden Galleria is in Cheektowaga and about 15-20 minutes away.
Gillette Stadium doesn't have anything to do with the name of the team or allegiance. If anything, the Bills have a bigger population pull. It is about creating a development that would allow for the property to be active more than just on game days. Especially with the available land in the area. Besides the students, think about those they work for the organization/in the area and those that visit the area, whether it is the weekend of a game or not.
So you are saying that ECC is going to build a new campus, and also turn around and redevelop the old campus? Where do you get that? Who will pay for it?
95% of anyone to potentially go there will drive right by the Galleria, and maybe many other shopping areas. What would be the draw?????
Of course there's plenty of land. There's not the population base to support this.
Of course you have to mention Canada. I don't know why, when very few come to the states, and Toronto can and does support large scale & UNIQUE businesses.
So you are saying that ECC is going to build a new campus, and also turn around and redevelop the old campus? Where do you get that? Who will pay for it?
95% of anyone to potentially go there will drive right by the Galleria, and maybe many other shopping areas. What would be the draw?????
Of course there's plenty of land. There's not the population base to support this.
Of course you have to mention Canada. I don't know why, when very few come to the states, and Toronto can and does support large scale & UNIQUE businesses.
Again, there is enough of a population in the Southtowns and many Canadians visit the area. Especially those that are closer to Buffalo than Toronto.
We’ve already gone over the percentage of season ticket holders from Canada.
The point again, is that allows for growth in the area, while retaining people to the area near the stadium like the Titletown example in the article and the Patriot Place example. Walden Galleria is a good 15-20 minutes from the stadium.
Again, there is enough of a population in the Southtowns and many Canadians visit the area. Especially those that are closer to Buffalo than Toronto.
We’ve already gone over the percentage of season ticket holders from Canada.
The point again, is that allows for growth in the area, while retaining people to the area near the stadium like the Titletown example in the article and the Patriot Place example. Walden Galleria is a good 15-20 minutes from the stadium.
This is just a dumb "conversation" . Orchard Park wants to be a quiet community. Makes someone wonder why the same "arguments," when the facts are right in front of everyone. 50 years, and it is what it is. We can play the hypothetical game all day, but why?
This is just a dumb "conversation" . Orchard Park wants to be a quiet community. Makes someone wonder why the same "arguments," when the facts are right in front of everyone. 50 years, and it is what it is. We can play the hypothetical game all day, but why?
If it wants to be "quiet" , then why has it had no problem with the stadium for 50+ years?
The point still remains that development on the current ECC property could be a possibility for making the area more viable as a destination outside of game days. No sense in arguing about something that could be a real possibility and one that could help the town/immediate area.
By the way, this is the Title Town near Lambeau Field in green Bay that was referred to in the article: https://www.titletown.com/
Keep in mind that Green Bay as a metro area is more on par with the Utica-Rome area in population, but also likely gets fans/visitors from other parts of Wisconsin and other place across the country, if not world.
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