California : More people leaving than moving in (San Francisco, Berkeley: sales, house)

[.highnlite]

Is there any way to speed up the departures? Mebbe remove speed limit signs on out bound roads?

[MtnSurfer]

Originally Posted by Charles

I sure wish the freeways' congestion would reflect this.

As a native who has seen ppl flood CA from every state and country for decades some outward movement is fine by me. There will still be growth, just not as fast. Many who came for a quick buck and fun time realized its not all fun and games. So time to go explore somewhere else.

Derek

[TimC2462]

Originally Posted by Bulldogdad

Ok here is an assignment. Watch a few Lewis Black video's on youtube.

No thanks.

Originally Posted by MtnSurfer

As a native who has seen ppl flood CA from every state and country for decades some outward movement is fine by me. There will still be growth, just not as fast. Many who came for a quick buck and fun time realized its not all fun and games. So time to go explore somewhere else.

Derek

Amen.

[BayAreaHillbilly]

This means even the immigration input is no longer enough to counteract the attrition of the native born and domestic transplants. This is how it starts. Can you say, Michigan, 1978?

[Charles]

Originally Posted by BayAreaHillbilly

This means even the immigration input is no longer enough to counteract the attrition of the native born and domestic transplants. This is how it starts. Can you say, Michigan, 1978?

The article only refers to domestic and not (foreign) immigration:

"Recent census figures show the state is losing more Californians like McCluer than it is attracting from other parts of the U.S. "

[yeahthatguy]

Originally Posted by Charles

The article only refers to domestic and not (foreign) immigration:

"Recent census figures show the state is losing more Californians like McCluer than it is attracting from other parts of the U.S. "

As noted in the article :
As domestic immigration slowed between 1970 and 2000, foreign immigration filled in the gap. But since 2000, even the state's once-growing immigrant population has been frozen at 27% of total residents

Californias-foreign-born-population-has-peaked
Report: California

[.highnlite]

Originally Posted by BayAreaHillbilly

This means even the immigration input is no longer enough to counteract the attrition of the native born and domestic transplants. This is how it starts. Can you say, Michigan, 1978?

Works for me, this was an even greater state with 10,000,000 people.

[MtnSurfer]

Originally Posted by .highnlite

Works for me, this was an even greater state with 10,000,000 people.

Haaha, sometimes less is more.

[hsw]

Any rational CA/US taxpayer prefers less economically productive people to migrate out of CA to DC, NV, FL, NYC, MI, Mexico, China, India, etc or wherever low-skill, overpaid jobs may predominate

Free market seems to continually attract world's highest-skilled, most productive kids to PaloAlto region...phenom that's dramatically accelerated in past 15yrs as tech industry has become world's most lucrative, where Manhattan and its finance industry is biggest loser as the direct competitor

And either tech or finance tend to need only 100s of >>$1MM/yr engineers or traders, not the many 10,000s of lower-pay, back-office types who can more efficiently do their work online in suburban Dallas or Bangalore, with no need to physically live/work in high-tax/cost PaloAlto region

When any region fails to attract most economically productive kids, it should figure out where they're going instead and why...creative destruction and Darwinian selection are ultimately healthy for world's economy

[yeahthatguy]

Originally Posted by hsw

Any rational CA/US taxpayer prefers less economically productive people to migrate out of CA to DC, NV, FL, NYC, MI, Mexico, China, India, etc or wherever low-skill, overpaid jobs may predominate

Free market seems to continually attract world's highest-skilled, most productive kids to PaloAlto region...phenom that's dramatically accelerated in past 15yrs as tech industry has become world's most lucrative, where Manhattan and its finance industry is biggest loser as the direct competitor

And either tech or finance tend to need only 100s of >>$1MM/yr engineers or traders, not the many 10,000s of lower-pay, back-office types who can more efficiently do their work online in suburban Dallas or Bangalore, with no need to physically live/work in high-tax/cost PaloAlto region

When any region fails to attract most economically productive kids, it should figure out where they're going instead and why...creative destruction and Darwinian selection are ultimately healthy for world's economy

Yep, the valley is turning out real gems from all these nerds as of late :


The top 1% have pulled far ahead of middle-income Californians. Over the last two decades, the average income of the top 1% of Californians increased by 50%, after adjusting for inflation, while the average income of the middle fifth fell by 15%. In 2009, the average income of the top 1% was $1.2 million — more than 30 times that of Californians in the middle fifth.

Higher incomes at the top contrast sharply with the more than 6 million Californians living in poverty. Nearly 1 in 6 Californians now lives in poverty, the largest share in over a decade. California's millionaires, who account for a fraction of a percent of the population, had combined incomes of more than $100 billion in 2009 — 11 times the income needed to lift every Californian out of poverty.

California is home to some of the widest income gaps in the nation. At the state level, California has the seventh-widest income gap among the 50 states, ranking between Alabama and Texas. In addition, the income gaps in the Los Angeles and San Francisco metropolitan areas rank third and seventh, respectively, among large U.S. cities.

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B.T.W - To throw contrast at your remarks .... I am one of those nerds in Palo Alto making $100k+ .. Masters degree from the top University in America in my major ... The b.s logic you used is what attracted me but it sure as hell wont keep me here... You can attract people all you want... However, once people figure out its a sham and leave .. you're s.o.l
It would seem the least productive are staying behind and the ultra wealthy.. California's middle class is eroding.. if you think that spells good for this state in the long run, I got a bullet train to sell you.

You continuously speak as though you are far removed from the workers you comment on... Most are pissing away their youth in caves working 10-12 hours hoping to create some janky start-up to pitch to j6p in hopes of getting rich (many failing) . Running around as grown boys living with roommates well into their 30s trying to strike it rich in order to afford a shack on the corner.....Some paying exorbitant amounts in rent reaching their mid 30s barely having enough to buy a house in a decent city/school district. Your reflection on the small quantity of uber rich that prey on such fodder doesn't scale and isn't quite frankly what you can build a successful state on.. The recent tech IPOs centered out of the valley speak for themselves... As do companies being smart, understanding talent is everywhere, and having offices all over America/World.

More on the valley gems :
http://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/Zyn...E243552_P2.htm

Cons
Poor Leaders, very fast pace, no life outside of Zynga. Work many hours for nothing in return. Everyone is miserable there and just waiting to get rich. Its a total joke!
Everyone is working to throw everyone under the bus! Its the strangest place I have ever worked. A bunch of psycos!

"You'll work 8-18 hours per day 5-7 days per week
Company leaders demand creativity of employees after overworking them, and ignores most ideas that don't follow the same technique/code base that most of their games currently use.
Not much of a social life
Coworkers are grumpy because they've been overworked"

"Poor leadership and communication. Awful work-life balance."

"Being told by my manager that if i am not at home sleeping, then i am here working. That is how i was welcomed to the team."

"Poor Leaders, very fast pace, no life outside of Zynga. Work many hours for nothing in return. Everyone is miserable there and just waiting to get rich. Its a total joke!"

"One of the company values is something called 'Zynga Speed', which means accepting that quality will be sacrificed and long hours will be expected, over and over again. For employees aged over 25 this means your years of experience in your field will be routinely ignored; just to get the job done, you will be expected to abandon just about every principle you have learned as a skilled professional."

"You're basically forced to work 60-80 hour weeks."

"Long hours even when there is no real deadline.
Insane micro management all the way from CEO down"

Yeah, this is wonderland ...