PROPOSITION 37 - Look Who Is Fighting It!!! (sales, buy)

[TrueTimbers]

Originally Posted by DynamoLA

Awesome. I guess pretty much every newspaper in the state is wrong then in advising people to vote against prop 37?

No on Prop. 37 » Editorial Boards Support No Prop 37

Follow the money... See who pays them for advertising...

A new angle is prop 37 does not go far enough so you should vote no.... What a crock... The people behind GMO's are very powerful....

Exercise your freedom while you still have it.... Get Labeling!

[DynamoLA]

Originally Posted by TrueTimbers

Follow the money... See who pays them for advertising...

A new angle is prop 37 does not go far enough so you should vote no.... What a crock... The people behind GMO's are very powerful....

Exercise your freedom while you still have it.... Get Labeling!

Sorry, I respect your opinion, but I disagree. I don't think laws like this should be written at the ballot box. There are too many loopholes, and it leaves too much up to interpretation (i.e. lawsuits) to figure out.

There is basically no scientific proof that GM foods are bad for you.

Yeah yeah, some people here seem to think "what does science know"... but to add cost, confusion, and bureaucracy to the process seems counterproductive.

[Think4Yourself]

I personally don't care about GMO or think there is anything wrong with it but I always error on the side of giving consumers more information. That's why I'm voting yes. For 90% of people we won't care but if it does matter to someone they should at least have the ability to read a label and find out.

[Zelva]

Let me see, speaking of labeling, we now have calories on menus, too many 'safety labels' (so I ignore them all now) -- and besides, we live in the 'information age' -- and always want more 'freedom of choice' -- so, I just want to know. Simple enough. Why wouldn't they want us to know? And besides, 'GMO' is a pretty SHORT label!!

[TrueTimbers]

Originally Posted by Think4Yourself

I personally don't care about GMO or think there is anything wrong with it but I always error on the side of giving consumers more information. That's why I'm voting yes. For 90% of people we won't care but if it does matter to someone they should at least have the ability to read a label and find out.

Thank you..

[steven_h]

Originally Posted by Think4Yourself

I personally don't care about GMO or think there is anything wrong with it but I always error on the side of giving consumers more information. That's why I'm voting yes. For 90% of people we won't care but if it does matter to someone they should at least have the ability to read a label and find out.

YOu and I don't agree often, but this is exactly right.

[steven_h]

Originally Posted by Zelva

Let me see, speaking of labeling, we now have calories on menus, too many 'safety labels' (so I ignore them all now) -- and besides, we live in the 'information age' -- and always want more 'freedom of choice' -- so, I just want to know. Simple enough. Why wouldn't they want us to know? And besides, 'GMO' is a pretty SHORT label!!

You should read up on how GMO cotton has killed and raised birth defects of cattle in India. Now they've banned GMO because it's considered a dangerous poison, and rightly so.

http://articles.timesofindia.indiati...growing-states

It has caused so much hardship that the farmers are committing suicide en'masse. Monsanto is trying to keep this quiet.

Anyone who thinks the labelling is too expensive are kidding themselves and buying the lie. Why would the biggest socialist experiment in history, the EU ban GMO seeds?

Someone mentioned how this could open up lawsuits. Monsanto has been suing the small farmers out of business. So, 700 farmers fought back in a class action law suit against Monsanto. The lawsuit seeks to invalidate Monsanto's patents on genetically modified (GMO) seeds and to prohibit the company from suing those whose crops become genetically contaminated because they drift through the air.

Over 300,000 people including farmers, seed growers and agricultural organizations participated in the case against Monsanto -- ONE JUDGE threw it out.

Hard to Believe: Monsanto Won

so Monsanto has been given the green light to continue suing farmers for the wind that blows over their farms.

Welcome to the world of insane reasoning backed by an equally insane judge.

[Think4Yourself]

Originally Posted by Zelva

Let me see, speaking of labeling, we now have calories on menus, too many 'safety labels'

That's not a safety label just consumer information. Also it is only large chain restaurants which have to put calories on the menu.

What, do you only go to McDonald's or something? I don't think I've even been in a restaurant with calories on the menu but I never eat fastfood and usually go to local restaurants.

[toodie]

Please, Californians, vote so that the rest of the country will be able to fight for labeling by your state taking the lead! We deserve to be informed and not kept in the dark, controlled by corporations.

Some of us do not wish to consume foods that have genetically engineered ingredients that have had their DNA scientifically altered by genes from other plants, animals, viruses or bacteria.

These products will not be able to be labeled as "natural" if the initiative passes.

$45 million has been raised by biotech companies, grocery manufacurers and the soft drink industry to oppose the initiative. Monsanto, Dow, Bayer CropScience, Syngenta and BASF.

Only $7 million has been raised by pro-labeling campaign, supported by sdvocacy organizations such as Environmental Working Group and Public Citizen.

This is not an argument about whether GM is bad or good. We simply want labels to be able to make our own choices.

Please, support the labeling! We deserve to KNOW. Otherwise, isn't this another chipping away of our freedoms in this country?

| Genetically Engineered Foods/Tell FDA to Label

Taking it to the White House: Just Label It |

‘Just Label It’ Campaign One Million Strong

Thank you from NC
best,
toodie

[dtran103]

Most of the major newspapers are against the prop as well. Is the SF Chronicle and LA Times editorial staff in on the conspiracy? I don't care if Monsanto is for a proposition. You have your own ability to reason and you should use it rather than voting based on who is supporting what.



This law is way too overreaching. If it were a federal issue, it would make sense. But California itself does not live in a bubble. Most food products come from all over the country, all of which don't have GMO labeling laws. The onus is on retailers to provide those labels if they so choose to carry an item, NOT Krafts Foods.

Here's why it's a bad law:

So if I want to sell a pasta sauce from NYC, I have to call that company and ask if their ingredients are GMO. They don't have GMO laws in NYC, so how the hell are they supposed to know? They don't. So you now have to get the suppliers of each of those 20 ingredients that make up the pasta sauce, and call each one of them to see if those ingredients are GMO. And if they don't know, you call the suppliers of EACH of the ingredients that make up a specific ingredient. It's almost an infinite chain of suppliers that you have to go through for a freakin pasta sauce. Now multiply all the work by the number of different food items you plan to sell. Imagine if you're opening up a food stall much less a full grocery, and what an investigation paperwork hell that is. It'll take weeks just to label that pasta sauce. Krafts Foods doesn't have to do crap. They aren't forcing you to carry their items. You're just screwing over the retailer.

Literally, you will make over 50 phone calls to properly label that pasta sauce. Sell 10 items, and that's 500 phone calls. You see how ridiculous this gets? Most of us wouldn't even think of taking up the above challenge, so why do people think its okay to make retailers do that times 1000? Again, the responsibility isn't on people who make the food items (they don't have the labeling law in their state), but on the people who just want to sell it.

It sound great on the surface for consumer knowledge, it's just that people do not realize the mountains of awful work you're making other people do for you. It's basically being a douche and putting into law that other people do your homework for you. And it's not homework, it's more like your college research thesis. Times 1000. And if they don't do it well, you can sue them.