View Poll Results: Do You Support Calexit Knowing It's Sponsored by Russia?
Yes
17 38.64%
No
27 61.36%
02-12-2017, 09:00 AM
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No secret about Putin's ties to the Trump admin and YesCalifornia. If Putin finances a political movement, and you buy into the propaganda like a fool, that's your personal issue. If you like Putin, then maybe you should YesCal leader Marinelli at his home in Russia.
Again you avoid answering the salient questions. If Putin likes chocolate cake does that make chocolate cake a bad food?
Noone said anything about liking Putin - speaking of grasping at nonsense.
You might also note that in addition to correctly observing that you are violating TOS by running multiple threads on the same subject simultaneously, all your points have also been addressed and dismantled.
By the way, how long a person has posted and how many rep points received is also no measure of correctness or intelligence on the topics.
"Out of arguments?" Hardly. As you noted yourself previously, you are being answered on every point. Especially your prime, nearly singular terror that because Putin likes or supports something that alone makes it bad. Which illogical nonsense has been pointed out and you fail to answer. Chocolate. Mmmmmm.
02-12-2017, 09:12 AM
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This is one of the silliest propaganda lines put out by YesCal and the Russians. You think people in Massachusetts or Maryland love Trump?.
you say silly, but don't explain why. And yes, clearly there are people in the mix of all states who love Trump. What does that have to do with anything being discussed here?
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Should Newfoundlanders break off from Canada because they have nothing in common with people in Vancouver? Should oil and gas tycoons in Calgary push to become part of America?
As pointed out previously all regions have differences AND common ground. Whether Newfoundland should break from the rest of Canada depends on an overall assessment of relative positions.
Oil and gas tycoons are not citizen states. They are business interests within states. Sothey don't get to seceed.
Russians putting out propaganda and knowing little about living in free societies has absolutely no bearing whatsoever of any even minute sort on whether there is any intelligent reason for California to consider becoming independent.
02-12-2017, 12:09 PM
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you say silly, but don't explain why. And yes, clearly there are people in the mix of all states who love Trump. What does that have to do with anything being discussed here?Russians putting out propaganda and knowing little about living in free societies has absolutely no bearing whatsoever of any even minute sort on whether there is any intelligent reason for California to consider becoming independent.
I am curious, what propaganda?
02-12-2017, 12:42 PM
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I am curious, what propaganda?
Ask poster TheseGoTo11. S/he's the one complaining about that.
02-12-2017, 01:22 PM
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Oil and gas tycoons are not citizen states. They are business interests within states. Sothey don't get to seceed.
So they don't get to secede, or choose which country they want to be a part of, yet you support a group of people living in Russia telling us which country they want us to be a part of.
02-12-2017, 02:07 PM
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So they don't get to secede, or choose which country they want to be a part of, yet you support a group of people living in Russia telling us which country they want us to be a part of.
Show me any expression of support you refer to.
Then try showing how your comment about a group of people living in Russia relates to our determination of independence. You keep expressing outrage and fear without explaining how their opinions end up controlling California's or America's future. Putin expresses an anti-terror agenda. So does the US. Should we drop ours because Russia shares that goal? Is chocolate cake bad because Putin likes it or not?
02-12-2017, 02:40 PM
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Ask poster TheseGoTo11. S/he's the one complaining about that.
Well I know of no propaganda about his subject FROM them.
02-12-2017, 09:43 PM
Location: San Diego, California Republic
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Texas has the same thing going with secession. The Kremlin-sponsored secession conference YesCalifornia leader Marinelli went to was also attended by the Texit people. Had Hillary won, Putin would likely have put out Texas secession propagnda. He's also tried to get involved with Hawaii and Vermont secession movements.
Ok, this is a great reply but it doesn't answer my question. I'll get back to that as what you said was still good enough for a reply.
I've said before that I do not support any independence that Russia is involved in. For the three that voted yes, think about it; if our choices are to be affiliated with the United States or Russia, you really think Russia is a better option??? No secession under such circumstances which is why I lean with the CNP and not YC.
Now, my question was, do you believe the US is going to last in it's present form forever? Is it immune to the forces that have affected the rest of the world indeed, that gave birth to it?
02-13-2017, 07:22 AM
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02-13-2017, 08:31 AM
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Was there anything inthat article about Calexit? Your passionate hatred for Putin and Russia is palpable. And perhaps somewhat reasonable. What is not apparent, still, is any coherent connection to that hatred and Californian independence. As pointed out timeand again, Russian support for the issue does not prove any dangerous relationship exists. If Putin likes chocolate cake, does that make chocolate cake bad for us in California? You continue to avoid answering this question. And continue to avoid making any coherent case for how Russian support would translate to Russian control and advantage.
These posts of yours belong in Politics forums.
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House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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