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Old 04-22-2018, 08:29 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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Fine. Make it so. California should secede, and the Fed Gov won't have to subsidize California's giant welfare population anymore (1/3 of the U.S. total welfare population). No more Food Stamps, Fed-subsidized Medicaid, etc.

Why balk if you think it's such a sweet deal?
Wrong. California is a donor state. California only gets back approx 78 cents for every dollar it sends to the Federal Govt.
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Old 04-22-2018, 09:42 AM
 
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Wrong. California is a donor state. California only gets back approx 78 cents for every dollar it sends to the Federal Govt.
"California only gets back approx 78 cents for every dollar it sends to the Federal Govt."

Does that include the 5 military bases that bring in tens of millions of dollars into the state and the money people who work in and around the bases?

It's funny to see how people wail and scream when BRAC announces a base closing because of the affect the base has on the local economy.

And many of them are against the military in general.
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Old 04-22-2018, 10:58 AM
 
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Meh, none of us really knows what would happen if CA was broken up (or seceded). Like anything else that has so many complex variables, some things would turn out better, some would turn out worse, and there would be a whole bunch of unintended consequences. Things this drastic only happen when the worst possible outcome is seen as better than the status quo - I don't think we're remotely close to this scenario in CA right now. But it's still fun to ponder the what-ifs!
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Old 04-22-2018, 01:59 PM
 
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How is it possible to divide Call up and get a conservative state unless you drew the coastal side like Chile?
Yeah, like that. Except we will charge a lot for their water, that how poor State will get it’s income

Don’t worry about farm workers. We will issue work permits and welcome them with open arms. It’s the MS-13 gangs, drug dealers (to white consumers), de-criminalized early release felons, and leaches to the social welfare system can stay on the coastal side of alt-left Socialist Welfare Santuary State.
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Old 04-22-2018, 02:41 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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It's not the Conservatives in CA pushing the state hard progressive left. That would be Gov. Moonbeam and his crew of merry Liberals. They have no idea of how to compromise.

There is is huge shortage of homes, high prices and a homeless problem in the state yet you guys welcome in every 3rd world uneducated poor person who can cross the border. I don't understand it.
Don't feel bad. I live here and I can't understand it either.
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Old 04-23-2018, 05:38 AM
 
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Meh, none of us really knows what would happen if CA was broken up (or seceded). Like anything else that has so many complex variables, some things would turn out better, some would turn out worse, and there would be a whole bunch of unintended consequences. Things this drastic only happen when the worst possible outcome is seen as better than the status quo - I don't think we're remotely close to this scenario in CA right now. But it's still fun to ponder the what-ifs!
"none of us really knows what would happen if CA was broken up (or seceded). "

We DO KNOW it has happened MANY times before and ALL successfully.

" I don't think we're remotely close to this scenario in CA right now"

It's been talked about for decades.

Many repubs want to leave becuae they are ALWAYS outvoted both statewide and nationally because they are ALWAYS in the minority.

Having lived in a such a state myself, it get old ALWAYS being out voted.

Some don't even bother to vote in statewide and national election becuae they KNOW they do NOT have chance of winning.
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Old 04-23-2018, 12:33 PM
 
Location: Norteh Bajo Americano
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It is not going to happen. Way too many Californian love California as one state despite the politics. It will never get the votes in California or among other sttes.
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Old 04-23-2018, 01:08 PM
 
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It is not going to happen. Way too many Californian love California as one state despite the politics. It will never get the votes in California or among other sttes.
I love the physical land that is called California. I wouldn't stop appreciating it because it was called something else. I would still be able to visit any part of the US, like I can now, including any parts of what was formerly California.
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Old 04-23-2018, 01:12 PM
 
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Wrong. California is a donor state. California only gets back approx 78 cents for every dollar it sends to the Federal Govt.
Latest report is that it gets back 99 cents.

If the State ahs no problem giving money tio illegals and their families, why have a problem with helping Americans?
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Old 04-23-2018, 02:53 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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Anything is possible.

Do I think it will happen? No.

The dems who control the state and federal political position do NOT want to loose the political control over such a large number of electoral votes. Not to mention control of other important things in the state.

One reason 1 do NOT like "winner take all" electoral voting is because like Ca., the millions who do NOT vote dem have NO SAY in who is elected to be president.
I agree with you that this winner take all sucks!

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