Prop 13 (megatopic) (vacation home, estimated, vacation)

[Dave Coe]

Originally Posted by 1AngryTaxPayer

well duh, if you can't afford it move. In the mean time rich asians are moving in. What are you going to do about that? Whine about existing Americans living here? Come on man.

This has been the mentality of boomers in California, especially upper middle class liberals. They want to enjoy their golden years in California while their descendants have no birthright. Go to any well off suburban area in Southern California and the streets are filled with senior citizens driving brand new luxury automobiles while there is a dearth of young families, especially White families.

Is there a comparable comparison in any other parts of the developed world to this mentality?

[Csonka]

In a large way, CA's "liberalism" is many parts hype. The State "says" it will do all sorts of liberal things but apparently says that just to appease the left, and then the state never actually moves ahead on those plans.

The "water rationing" thing, for example. I was getting nervous a few years ago thinking I would be limited to 55 gallons a day. I figured I could never live like that and started thinking about moving. But here we are in 2021 and I don't see it happening ay time soon, where's it was supposed to be here starting this year.

I presume the "we are going to full EV by 2030" will be similar. Appease the left today, and then hopefully everyone forgets about it ten years from now. Which is most likely to be the case.

I bring these up for this reason. That despite whatever liberal causes the state and government claim to represent,99.% of whatever they do only drives up the value of single-family homes. Whether it be this liberal cause or that liberal cause, the net result is always that home prices go up, which obviously benefits the wealthy. So it stands to reason that many of our politicians are just mouthing off the liberal lines while structuring those liberal ideas in ways to make the wealthy donors even more wealthy. I guess you could say there is a hand-in-glove relationship between the promoters of liberal ideas and the rich to make rich people richer while also getting brownie points from activists on the ground who never seem to put 2 and 2 together.

In a word, it's all bull. CA is NOT as liberal a place as it wants people to think. It pretends to be.

[Csonka]

Originally Posted by TimTheEnchanter

Not sure where you live, but there was an awful lot of looting in Santa Monica, Fairfax and Long Beach.

But not anything burning

It was more "larping" than anything

Plus add in the competitive stupidity of people "Oh yeah East Coast, you think you got rioting, watch how we do it here on the West Coast." Then some morons film themselves looting a store.

That said, yes, L.A. and SF were no match for Portland or Seattle when it comes to destruction, fires, etc. Or for any of those other places scattered around the country. I hear Minneapolis is still a war zone.

[Dave Coe]

Originally Posted by Csonka

In a large way, CA's "liberalism" is many parts hype. The State "says" it will do all sorts of liberal things but apparently says that just to appease the left, and then the state never actually moves ahead on those plans.

The "water rationing" thing, for example. I was getting nervous a few years ago thinking I would be limited to 55 gallons a day. I figured I could never live like that and started thinking about moving. But here we are in 2021 and I don't see it happening ay time soon, where's it was supposed to be here starting this year.

I presume the "we are going to full EV by 2030" will be similar. Appease the left today, and then hopefully everyone forgets about it ten years from now. Which is most likely to be the case.

I bring these up for this reason. That despite whatever liberal causes the state and government claim to represent,99.% of whatever they do only drives up the value of single-family homes. Whether it be this liberal cause or that liberal cause, the net result is always that home prices go up, which obviously benefits the wealthy. So it stands to reason that many of our politicians are just mouthing off the liberal lines while structuring those liberal ideas in ways to make the wealthy donors even more wealthy. I guess you could say there is a hand-in-glove relationship between the promoters of liberal ideas and the rich to make rich people richer while also getting brownie points from activists on the ground who never seem to put 2 and 2 together.

In a word, it's all bull. CA is NOT as liberal a place as it wants people to think. It pretends to be.

Liberalism can mean different things to different people. To a Fox News fan it means socialism but it can also mean radical individualism and neoliberal policies such as privatization and austerity.

[1AngryTaxPayer]

Originally Posted by Dave Coe

This has been the mentality of boomers in California, especially upper middle class liberals. They want to enjoy their golden years in California while their descendants have no birthright. Go to any well off suburban area in Southern California and the streets are filled with senior citizens driving brand new luxury automobiles while there is a dearth of young families, especially White families.

Is there a comparable comparison in any other parts of the developed world to this mentality?

So, basically you're mad you won't be getting any sort of inheritance? "Birthright" hilarious. The only rights you have are in the Constitution and the rights of life. I didn't see a free house in any one of them. Since most Americans are white, I'd deduct that most everything related to humans is going to be white. Wouldn't you agree?

Every rich area in any city is going to have a bunch of rich, old people driving nice cars.

[Csonka]

Originally Posted by Dave Coe

Liberalism can mean different things to different people. To a Fox News fan it means socialism but it can also mean radical individualism and neoliberal policies such as privatization and austerity.

Perhaps, but going by the current meaning of the word, and even the meaning from 10-20 years ago, the word "liberal" doesn't mean the promotion of ideas and policies that make rich people richer vis a vis their home equity and to create an ever increasing wealth gap between the haves and have nots.

I guess the irony is that it's in red states where you find the liberal ideals more manifest, such as greater home affordability and smaller gaps in wealth between the bottom and top quartiles in income.

Just going by the facts, if CA is anything it's a land of unbridled and out of control capitalism where the rich keep getting richer by the day

[Csonka]

Originally Posted by Dave Coe

This has been the mentality of boomers in California, especially upper middle class liberals. They want to enjoy their golden years in California while their descendants have no birthright. Go to any well off suburban area in Southern California and the streets are filled with senior citizens driving brand new luxury automobiles while there is a dearth of young families, especially White families.

Is there a comparable comparison in any other parts of the developed world to this mentality?

Los Angeles in particular is not really an American city, and what we see here is common in other "world" cities such as Paris and London, at least those are two I am familiar with. Los Angeles belongs to the world, or has become such a place, yet it wasn't too long ago that it was sort of red-neck (I mean that in the best possible way) at least in the SFV and Santa Clarita and Ventura County.

This city has changed dramatically in the 30 years I have lived here. It went from being a major regional city with lots of middle class people who were born and raised here to a world city full of rich immigrants, foreigners, and transplants and with some legacy and immigrant middle-class families in the mix along with young people getting their city on before they return home. And the things you mention are part and parcel of that change. I am originally from Florida (Tampa), and Miami has gone through a similar transformation. I know I know that people say Miami was never really a part of America, but back in the day it was sorta redneck and small town but with a Cuban community thrown in the middle of it. Now it's something else entirely.

[Dave Coe]

Originally Posted by 1AngryTaxPayer

So, basically you're mad you won't be getting any sort of inheritance? "Birthright" hilarious. The only rights you have are in the Constitution and the rights of life. I didn't see a free house in any one of them. Since most Americans are white, I'd deduct that most everything related to humans is going to be white. Wouldn't you agree?

Every rich area in any city is going to have a bunch of rich, old people driving nice cars.

Some of these cities mentioned are very wealthy:

"Majority White cities with abysmally low shares under the age of 18 include well off urban cities of West Hollywood (4.6%), Berkeley (12.3%), and Santa Monica (14.0%), well of suburban cities such as Sausalito (8.7%), Stinson Beach (12.0%), Del Mar (13.6%), and Hermosa Beach (15.9%), the middle class suburb of Seal Beach (13.0%), wealthy cities outside of major metros such as Carmel-by-the-Sea, (10.2%), Rancho Mirage (10.6%), Inverness (10.7%), Avilla Beach (11.2%), San Luis Obispo (12.2%), Bodega Bay (12.2%), Sunnyside-Tahoe City (12.3%), Pismo Beach (13.3%), Palm Springs (13.7%), Santa Cruz (13.7%), Summerland (14.6%), Morro Bay (15.0%), and Monterey(15.3%)."

https://www.unz.com/article/who-breeds-in-california/

[Dave Coe]

This proposal would be more equitable to either prop 13 or a full repeal.

Proposal to reform Property Taxation in California:

https://robertstark.substack.com/p/p...perty-taxation

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by Dave Coe

This has been the mentality of boomers in California, especially upper middle class liberals. They want to enjoy their golden years in California while their descendants have no birthright. Go to any well off suburban area in Southern California and the streets are filled with senior citizens driving brand new luxury automobiles while there is a dearth of young families, especially White families.

Is there a comparable comparison in any other parts of the developed world to this mentality?

‘Birthrights’ are for monarchies. ‘Meritocracies’ don’t play that sh**e. I don’t even agree citizenship should be a ‘birthright’. Earn it or accept some limitations. Grant residency as birthright. Babies can’t help where they’re born. But full benefits? Ummm.