Newsom eradicating sales of new gas powered cars by 2035 (cost, law)

[sav858]

Originally Posted by roadwarrior101

Reinforce the power grids, ever heard of them? This is 15 years out. There is a lot of time to plan for this.

So what does that involve? And what about the rapid drop off in energy production when the sun goes down?

[Mike930]

Hands down the most idiotic law ever passed in modern times. Anyone that supports this isn’t firing on all cylinders.

[Mike930]

Originally Posted by roadwarrior101

Never argued that PG&E isn't a major problem here. It shouldn't have been given a pass from liabilities related to wildfire, by passing these onto the taxpayers.

But, don't use this to deflect. Two wrongs do not make a right. Without government regulation on emissions, automakers will not be incentivized to change how they operate.

It’s not deflecting at all. You can’t look at this in a vacuum. If you’re going to mandate electric cars, you have to have the infrastructure and technology to make it work.

California has neither.

[roadwarrior101]

Originally Posted by sav858

So what does that involve? And what about the rapid drop off in energy production when the sun goes down?

Solar isn't the only renewable energy source. Important to diversify.

We have to set targets and work hard to achieve these. Are you just going to poke holes in this and assume the status quo is working? If you think this is such a bad idea, what is your proposed alternative?

[roadwarrior101]

Originally Posted by Mike930

It’s not deflecting at all. You can’t look at this in a vacuum. If you’re going to mandate electric cars, you have to have the infrastructure and technology to make it work.

California has neither.

The technology is there, just the infrastructure needs to be put in place. We have 15 years to hit that target. Time to start moving and stop complaining about what it can't work. The future of our planet (and our children) is at stake.

[Racer46]

Originally Posted by roadwarrior101

Solar isn't the only renewable energy source. Important to diversify.

We have to set targets and work hard to achieve these. Are you just going to poke holes in this and assume the status quo is working? If you think this is such a bad idea, what is your proposed alternative?

Establish a working system to supply the power first. And do so in a way costs go ...... down.



Then what about people who can't afford an electric car? There are 40M people in CA and in the next 15 years they cannot all afford it. Nor the trucking companies, etc.


Use intelligent efforts not ideological ones.

[sav858]

Originally Posted by roadwarrior101

Solar isn't the only renewable energy source. Important to diversify.

We have to set targets and work hard to achieve these. Are you just going to poke holes in this and assume the status quo is working? If you think this is such a bad idea, what is your proposed alternative?

And what other sources are out there? Wind? That dies down when the sunsets too. Why do you think we just had rolling blackouts?

Instead of setting this arbitrary deadline, perhaps look into and start a plan how to achieve it first and see what it would take and if its even possible to meet that deadline. And how do they plan to pay for it.

You have way too much faith in a state with a currently failing power grid and astronomical electricity costs.

[roadwarrior101]

Originally Posted by Racer46

Then what about people who can't afford an electric car? There are 40M people in CA and in the next 15 years they cannot all afford it. Nor the trucking companies, etc.


Use intelligent efforts not ideological ones.

What makes you think that electric cars aren't going to be affordable in 15 years? The technology has really improved. Case in point, Tesla only had a high end car and now has a mid tier car (much more affordable). This is not ideology, its real time tracking of technological breakthroughs.

Important to do both in parallel, not just sit back and wait by kicking the can down the road.

[1AngryTaxPayer]

Originally Posted by Mike930

It’s not deflecting at all. You can’t look at this in a vacuum. If you’re going to mandate electric cars, you have to have the infrastructure and technology to make it work.

California has neither.

Think how long it would take to travel across the US stopping for hours every few hundred miles to recharge somewhere.

[joosoon]

Originally Posted by roadwarrior101

This is not ideology, its real time tracking of technological breakthroughs.

Important to do both in parallel, not just sit back and wait by kicking the can down the road.

Working in parallel would mean not mandating something currently beyond technical feasibility in the present. Here's the order btw.


Forget passenger cars, the E/O also calls to phase out heavy/medium duty vehicles that aren't zero emission by 2045. Let's say that twenty-five years from now, we still don't have reliable replacements for such things --then what? What does that do to transport and construction and everything else that follows the path of depending on vehicles in those classes to exist?


It's a noble cause but the implementation is typically idiotic which is becoming the standard in California.