What is Fresno like? (Los Angeles, Sacramento: apartments, lofts, condos)

[LZKay1]

Is it like Stockton?

[Adriatica]

Originally Posted by LZKay1

Is it like Stockton?

No, it's not like Stockton. Aside from that, could you be more specific? Or you could do a search and find info that way. There's been quite a bit of info posted recently.

[Howest2008]

Originally Posted by LZKay1

Is it like Stockton?

No Fresno is more like Sacramento , just half the size of Sacramento MSA 2,100,000 people for Sacramento and 1,050,000 for Fresno MSA.......
both have Major Major League Sports teams,,,,Fresno is a 2nd tier major
league sports town Arena 1 Football and Sacramento is 1st Tier major league sports town NBA The Sacramento Kings.

Bakersfield is more in the same Ranking with Stockton CA with Stockton
having a Deep Water Port which Bakersfield doesn't have and a Better
Arena and Entertainment venues in Town Stockton comes out a little bit
ahead of Bakersfield.

[SavingHawaii]

[Unruly Sky]

Originally Posted by LZKay1

Is it like Stockton?

nope. if you could be more specific, it might help more..

plus, fresnofacts could probably clue you in about fresno.

[pistola916]

It's like Sacramento, but less urban and hip.

[KC6ZLV]

I disagree. I've lived in both Fresno and Sacramento. The two areas are nothing alike.

Try to have an intelligent conversation (by today's standards) with someone in Fresno it's a challenge.

Fresno has a lot, I mean A LOT of religious fanatics. You know, the people who bring up the "right to life" randomly in conversations? Those types. In Sacramento they think people who attend church services once a month are religious.

Fresno is overwhelmingly right-wingnut conservative where any Republican politician can do no wrong and any Democrat has messed up before they've started. Sacramento's core area is very moderate Democrat (they vote both ways, seldom vote to raise taxes). People tend to be more conservative as you leave the Central City, but they are mainly fiscal conservatives. Quite a few people think of the conservatives in the San Joaquin Valley as Republicans and those in the Sacramento Valley as Libertarians.

A fair amount of people in Sacramento actually care about their city, the history, the old neighborhoods, the urban forest, etc. People in Fresno are vaguely aware they have a downtown. Furthmore, downtown Fresno has some really nice architecture and a lot of potential, but nobody cares about it. People live in Downtown Sacramento and there are places to go in the evenings.

The weather in Fresno is hot non-stop in the summer. Cooler mornings are near 70. Some mornings only go down to the upper 70's. Lows in the lower 80s aren't uncommon. How about 90 at midnight? Sacramento has had one morning at 84 degrees during the heatwave a few years ago That is Sacramento's one-time record. A warm veryk morning in Sacramento starts in the upper 60s. Most mornings range from the low 50's to about 64. It is also much hotter much earlier in Fresno. Most days are between 95-105. Sacramento can get fairly hot too, but most afternoons are in the range of 87-97. It is not 110 in Sacramento (or Fresno) everyday like most people living in other locations will tell you. The big difference between Fresno and Sacramento is the evenings. Sacramento cools off fairly rapidly near sunset and has perfect BBQ weather in the evenings. Fresno is often in the upper 90's throughout much of the evening, and don't think the pool is going to cool you off because the water absorbs so much heat that the pool is probably a little warm too.


Fresno is much drier. Anyone who has driven from Fresno to Sacramento so far this year probably has noticed once you get north of Stockton the landscape is green. Significant rainfall starts about a month earlier in Sacramento and lasts about a month to two months longer in the spring. The end result is about 20" of rainfall in Sacramento, vs about 11-12" in Fresno.

Economically, Sacramento is much more diverse than Fresno. Fresno's urban economy is entirely based on reselling things and paying people close to minimum wage. Fresno also blames their economic problems on having an "agriculturally based economy." Urban Fresno has had little to do with anything agricultural for decades. They really need to find a new excuse. Sacramento has some tech, aerospace, health, and some light manufacturing.

[SOON2BNSURPRISE]

After KC6ZLV's description Fresno is looking like a cool place to live. (Or hot place in the summer time.)

[FresnoFacts]

Originally Posted by KC6ZLV

Fresno is overwhelmingly right-wingnut conservative where any Republican politician can do no wrong and any Democrat has messed up before they've started.

Uhmm, Obama carried Fresno County over McCain. Obama had 50.3% in Fresno County, it was 58.5% in Sacramento County. Compare that to say Kern County where Obama only got 40.2%.

Fresno also has KFCF, a radio station that leans way left, carrying shows from KPFA in Berkeley as well as local liberal programming. Fresno is one of a small number of KPFA affiliate cities (the others are New York, Houston, Los Angeles and Wahsington, D.C.). Sacramento is not on that list.
KFCF RADIO 88.1 FM

Fresno has moved closer to center than some people realize. You will find people across the spectrum. Yes many conservatives but also some very liberal. We do have a diverse nation so no not everyone has the same political views, nor would I want people to think alike.

Originally Posted by KC6ZLV

A fair amount of people in Sacramento actually care about their city, the history, the old neighborhoods, the urban forest, etc. People in Fresno are vaguely aware they have a downtown. Furthmore, downtown Fresno has some really nice architecture and a lot of potential, but nobody cares about it. People live in Downtown Sacramento and there are places to go in the evenings.

Sounds like it has been a while since you have been around downtown Fresno.

Yes a long way to go, but there has been progress even in this recession.

Fresh & Easy next month opens a downtown Fresno market to cater to people already living downtown. The site is near the train station, just north of existing condos and apartments.

Granville Homes (a major suburban builder in Fresno) breaks ground next week on a downtown Fresno housing project at Fulton and Amador, joining other smaller projects that have opened in the last few years. That is a big change in direction for Granville and shows more downtown interest. Another developer is redoing an older mixed use project. A few downtown housing projects already open or underway:
GVUrban :: Home Page
Iron Bird Lofts
http://www.muraldistrict.com/hstreet.html
http://www.muraldistrict.com/vagabond.html
http://www.muraldistrict.com/pearlbuilding.html
The FULTONIA – Live / Work Village @ SOTOW

First Thursday of every month is ArtHop in downtown Fresno. Typically 20 to 30 different studios and galleries are open from 5 to 9pm with many people moving from one to the next enjoying art, music, food and drink.

The city of Fresno just started lighting the historic 1894 downtown water tower at night. The water tower is the centerpiece of the work being done on the surrounding Eaton Plaza and nearby buildings. In summer, Eaton Plaza hosts events now like weekly movies in the park which draw a diverse audience of families.
http://media.fresnobee.com/smedia/2009/11/12/21/WaterTower1of1.standalone.prod_affiliate.8.jpg (broken link)

Originally Posted by KC6ZLV

It is also much hotter much earlier in Fresno. Most days are between 95-105

More like in the 90s most of the summer, Fresno tops 100 degrees only an average of 35 days per year.

Originally Posted by KC6ZLV

Economically, Sacramento is much more diverse than Fresno.

But as I have posted, the unemployment rate in the city of Fresno is basically the same as the city of Sacramento according to the state of California.
October 2009
City of Fresno - 14.8%
City of Sacramento - 14.7%
source: http://www.calmis.ca.gov/file/lfmonth/allsubs.xls

[Majin]

^^ Diversity has nothing to do with unemployment. Oakland's unemployment is like 40% but it's economy is more diverse than both Sacramento and Fresno. Still couldn't pay me to live in Oakland though.