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View Poll Results: Is Canada better without Quebec?
Yes, Canada is better off without Quebec 55 41.67%
No, Canada is better off with Quebec 77 58.33%
Voters: 132. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 03-16-2015, 07:50 AM
 
Location: Saint-Aimé-des-Lacs, Québec
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It seems Quebec from an outside position does stand out different culture, language and it seems like a country within it self.

At least Scotland has similarities with the rest of the UK especially Northern England..
This is accurate enough. Montréal is the most international and conclusion the city resembles other areas of Canada more. But outside of MTL it is a very different landscape. I think where I live is very different from towns in Ontario.
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Old 03-16-2015, 07:56 AM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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This is accurate enough. Montréal is the most international and conclusion the city resembles other areas of Canada more. .

Though still far from seamlessly so.
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Old 03-16-2015, 03:59 PM
 
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Yes quite true, even when the young person does learn the new language they find that they need to practice consistently to be able to speak it. It is very hard to learn a new language. If it was a simple solution everyone would be bilingual because who wouldn't want to speak multiple languages?
Actually, worldwide most people are bilingual. Learning a second language isn't easy, but it also isn't hard after awhile, especially if you're in an environment where multiple languages are spoken.
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Old 03-16-2015, 05:19 PM
 
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Actually, worldwide most people are bilingual. Learning a second language isn't easy, but it also isn't hard after awhile, especially if you're in an environment where multiple languages are spoken.
Agreed. It's not hard to find people in Europe who speak 3 or more languages.

Also, mastering a new language is really a matter of personal choice. If you choose to dedicate time and effort into it, you will be able to gain at the very least conversational fluency sooner or later. I know a lot of young people in Asia who have complete fluency in English (albeit with local accents and not-so-great oral communication skills) without spending a day in North America or Europe. They simply spent hours upon hours studying it.
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Old 03-16-2015, 05:30 PM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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The Maritimes would be fine without a land connection to the rest of Canada.

Look at the US 48 contiguous states and Alaska.

And I think Quebec would be fine on it's own. It has such a vast territory with natural resources to support it's population. And it already has a great infrastructure in place. I don't know if there would be any financial shocks though, but when you look at other areas of capital (labor, natl resources, language, etc.), Quebec looks like it would do fine if it were it's own country.
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Old 03-16-2015, 07:08 PM
 
Location: Toronto
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The Maritimes would be fine without a land connection to the rest of Canada.

Look at the US 48 contiguous states and Alaska.

And I think Quebec would be fine on it's own. It has such a vast territory with natural resources to support it's population. And it already has a great infrastructure in place. I don't know if there would be any financial shocks though, but when you look at other areas of capital (labor, natl resources, language, etc.), Quebec looks like it would do fine if it were it's own country.
This reminds me of an episode of the Canadian show called Border Patrol I think.. This American family tried to cross the border into B.C as they were relocating to Alaska and they couldn't for a plethora of reasons.. They were sent back and told they needed to file a bunch of paperwork etc etc blah blah to enter Canada.. The man goes - what the heck i'm not staying in Canada i'm going to Alaska to work i'm American going to America - didn't make a lick of difference.. He was sent back to the lower 48 looking very perplexed lol..

So would the Maritimes be ok - yeah they'd still be a part of Canada but its a less than ideal circumstance and they would indeed be physically less connected.

There is always the concept of partition to address such a thing.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe...ticle17528694/

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Old 03-16-2015, 08:36 PM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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This reminds me of an episode of the Canadian show called Border Patrol I think.. This American family tried to cross the border into B.C as they were relocating to Alaska and they couldn't for a plethora of reasons.. They were sent back and told they needed to file a bunch of paperwork etc etc blah blah to enter Canada.. The man goes - what the heck i'm not staying in Canada i'm going to Alaska to work i'm American going to America - didn't make a lick of difference.. He was sent back to the lower 48 looking very perplexed lol..

So would the Maritimes be ok - yeah they'd still be a part of Canada but its a less than ideal circumstance and they would indeed be physically less connected.
As I said in another thread, the US-Canada border is complicated because it's with the US.

A Quebec-Canada international border wouldn't likely be like that as it would be totally against the interest of both parties to make it complicated.
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Old 03-16-2015, 08:41 PM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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There is always the concept of partition to address such a thing.

Would Quebec
I happen to think that partition is a red herring, but even if it wasn't, it doesn't involve areas that would help ensure a ''Canadian'' corridor between Ontario and New Brunswick anyway.

The route from Ontario to New Brunswick passes mostly through a whole bunch of 99% francophone areas that are generally part of the separatist heartland.
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Old 03-17-2015, 01:45 AM
 
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I happen to think that partition is a red herring, but even if it wasn't, it doesn't involve areas that would help ensure a ''Canadian'' corridor between Ontario and New Brunswick anyway.

The route from Ontario to New Brunswick passes mostly through a whole bunch of 99% francophone areas that are generally part of the separatist heartland.
In a separate Quebec Denying free passage of goods between Canada and the Maritimes would be an illogical move as Canada and the USA would be Quebecs major trading partners,Closing the door on free passage of goods through Quebec can work both ways as Quebec could be denied access to Canada and the USA in retaliation.
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Old 03-17-2015, 04:32 AM
 
Location: Toronto
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I happen to think that partition is a red herring, but even if it wasn't, it doesn't involve areas that would help ensure a ''Canadian'' corridor between Ontario and New Brunswick anyway.

The route from Ontario to New Brunswick passes mostly through a whole bunch of 99% francophone areas that are generally part of the separatist heartland.
Well I think that would all be dealt with in terms of negotiations and how important it would be to the players involved in those. I'm introducing my concerns in terms of the fact that really you have Canadians having to cross another sovereign territory to get to another part of the country and that is not the case today. I hear you about being the Francophone heartland but I think both sides are going to have to be a bit creative.. Of course that is only one of the many sticky matters..

I read the article thanks - I can see why the parties don't want to discuss this stuff lol
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