British influence in Canada vs. Australia (versus, moving, cities)
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But when I think Americans, I'm thinking mostly white, as that's mostly who I meet. They seem like Euros to me. Sure, they might be different politically, but culturally and socially similar. Canadians are like Euros who like hockey and maple syrup.
Not too many good ole boy Texans around here, but the local version aren't that different.
Don't underestimate the impact of Maori on NZ culture. They might have been trampled a bit, but their contribution to NZ culture started early
Ok, I see, you mean Americans and Canadians visiting New Zealand. Because less than 2/3 of Americans are even white and it's only 7/ or 8/10 in Canada. I don't think you would go to an American city and feel like you are in Europe. In the US especially the African-Americans aren't immigrants and are a large percentage of society with lots of influence, which is why I bring them up. They are in some ways like francophones in Canada that they had a huge influence on the rest of population and are a minority that sets the country apart.
BTW, I agree that Canada in general is more European than the US, but I think we are less so than New Zealande or Australia. Ironically francophones (who have been here for hundreds of years) are even more eurocentric and European in many ways than anglo Canadians (who are more recent) who have mostly adopted American ways over the British.
Ok, I see, you mean Americans and Canadians visiting New Zealand. Because less than 2/3 of Americans are even white and it's only 7/ or 8/10 in Canada. I don't think you would go to an American city and feel like you are in Europe. In the US especially the African-Americans aren't immigrants and are a large percentage of society with lots of influence, which is why I bring them up. They are in some ways like francophones in Canada that they had a huge influence on the rest of population and are a minority that sets the country apart.
BTW, I agree that Canada in general is more European than the US, but I think we are less so than New Zealande or Australia. Ironically francophones (who have been here for hundreds of years) are even more eurocentric and European in many ways than anglo Canadians (who are more recent) who have mostly adopted American ways over the British.
Have to disagree about Canadian and Americans not seeming European. I haven't been to Europe, but have seen parts of the Canada and US. There was a quality that seemed much different to me to, and I came to associate with much stronger European influences than I was used to.
Blacks seemed much like Maori - a very large minority, but mainstream as well.
Europe has black people that historically made up 10-20% of the population since the beginning of colonization, and only speak English, are Christians, and identify as Europeans?
Europe has nothing like that, neither does Australia or New Zealand. But many countries in the western hemisphere do.
This man would never be considered Australian or European in the 1860's or be allowed to bear arms to fight for Australia, and some there today wouldn't consider him Australian based solely on his appearance. That's a huge difference between the US/Latino America and Europe/Australia. This is something new that you guys are only accepting after banning people like that from ever even living Down Under until what...1975? Australia wouldn't even give black people citizenship until the 1970's, in the US that happened sometime in the middle of the 1800's. I think those are some really big differences, so that the western hemisphere countries have been truly multicultural. Australia has been lily "white" European offshoot and remains so into the near future.
All Australians regardless of colour have been eligible for Australian citizenship since it was introduced in the 1940's. Aborigiobal Australian's have also been eligable to fight in the armed forces since it's inception. The white Australia policy ended in 1966.
A significant feature of "Australians living abroad" is expats returning tot their country of birth after gaining Australian citizenship. Its not just the Brits, you'll find the same patterns with groups like Greeks, Italians, Lebanese.
Have to disagree about Canadian and Americans not seeming European. I haven't been to Europe, but have seen parts of the Canada and US. There was a quality that seemed much different to me to, and I came to associate with much stronger European influences than I was used to.
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The US, Canada and Australia are all obviously Europe-derived societies, but I have not found that there is much of a difference in the level of ''Europeanity'' they have generally. Obviously, there are different levels within the countries too: Boston feels more European than Houston. Montreal more than Calgary. Melbourne more than Brisbane.
Ironically francophones (who have been here for hundreds of years) are even more eurocentric and European in many ways than anglo Canadians (who are more recent) who have mostly adopted American ways over the British.
I noticed this too - even before I moved to Quebec. Which is kind of strange given the fact you mentioned. Canadian francophones are much further removed from their European roots than anglophones. Your average francophone Canadian has absolutely no family ties in France that go back to the period of immigration across the ocean. Whereas many (maybe most?) anglophone Canadians still have relatives they have contact with in the UK or Ireland.
Anyway, we're not really allowed to say this, as ''Europeanity'' is a highly-valued and sought-after quality in Canada (especially among city-loving forumers)!
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