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Old 09-16-2016, 07:23 AM
 
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I do have a hard time thinking of a negative Canadian stereotype, but if I had to think of one, it would probably a sense of smugness and superiority to people from other countries (especially the US).
That's all countries, not just Canada.

 
Old 09-16-2016, 09:04 AM
 
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Given that Canada doesn't really step on anyone's toes internationally, and is a remote place for the majority of Earth population, and a first world country without well known internal problems, I don't think there is a negative stereotype of Canadians in the world at large. Do you have a negative stereotype of New Zealand ? Or Iceland ?
 
Old 09-16-2016, 09:17 AM
 
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Well, some American posters in the Politics forum seem to view all Canadians as being socialists and view that as being as negative as being, say, satanists.
 
Old 09-16-2016, 09:20 AM
 
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Yup, I knew all of that.

I'd just expect Canadians to have a bit more critical thinking and display some of the modesty that likely played a big role in getting the country near the top of that list.
I believe Canadians are still able to display modesty in quantity and do not have the noted "reputation" foremost in their minds when travelling abroad. I believe we are still able to function as quiet well behaved tourists for the most part. There will always be exceptions to every nationality's garnered reputation but the one gained from decades of history will be the one most often referenced.

HOWEVER: having said that, it is one country in particular that provides us with the most opportunities to defend, rebut, debate, argue, convince, cajole, prove our historical standing and reputation. Why do you suppose that is A/J?

Are you going to surmise as is your usual forte, that it is due to Canadian 'faux superiority' as in the egg came before the chicken or would you at, least entertain the possibility that Canadians have been presented with far more scorn from below us than any kind of unprejudiced praise.
It would also not be inaccurate to state categorically that Canada and Canadians have received far more negativity from our neighbours to the south than from any other national source on the planet.

Decades of American belief we furnish nothing and receive all benefits from our partnership have inundated the average American with all sorts of nonsense about our "socialism", indeed even a period of them being told our leader was an avowed "communist" because he attempted to normalize relations up to China and Cuba. Our refusal to entertain participation in the Vietnam and Iraq debacles are also never far from the surface. Thank god we didn't jump onto those chump trains.

Prior to those, there was the stubborn and firm refusal to allow nukes into silos (though they were agreed to) built for the purpose and any kind of American specific military bases on our soil, in a deliberate effort to support our own identity, foreign policy and more importantly sovereignty. Wrong headed though they might have been, nevertheless it has left a bitter taste in some U.S. mouths.

All of these go back even further if one were consider WWII and the typical disdain shown by American leaders for Canada's role even when Canada's performance occasionally outstripped their own in some fashion.

Those periods in our conjoined history have left indelible marks that many Americans carry forward through decades of generational passing-downs.

Here's some for you; which country is it that has adopted the "we're number one" slogan as their own? Which country is it that is constantly reminding the world that it is the "greatest"? Which country is it that has fostered more foreign incursions than Rome in it's far more recent history? Which country is it that allows a greater economic influence to sway it's decisions that have destabilized whole countries and even a continent or two..

There are many reasons why Europeans have illustrated a historical disdain for American travellers and that is due to more than just 'individual behaviour' as it would apply to Canadians, but rather more to do with the political machinations of a country bent on maintaining it's position, influence and wealth regardless of the resultant effects on others.

All of this is not to say that Canada, given the same economic and military clout, would have behaved any differently (or any other country for that matter) but one must at least acknowledge Canada has not, and does not tweak as many noses out of joint, simply because it CANNOT.

In that respect alone it would be erroneous to suggest Canada and Canadians have earned any negative reputation other than possibly one of being "irrelevant" or "benign" on the world stage.

Canadians given negative assessment overseas would primarily be due to individual bad behaviour while Americans on the other hand would be negatively judged for far more than that; they would also have to carry. however unfairly, the baggage for every idiotic foreign policy decision gone awry over the last 50 years.

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Old 09-16-2016, 09:28 AM
 
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Well, some American posters in the Politics forum seem to view all Canadians as being socialists and view that as being as negative as being, say, satanists.
And some Canadians see all Americans as fat, McDonald munching slobs with Bible in one hand and a loaded gun in another.
 
Old 09-16-2016, 10:08 AM
 
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And some Canadians see all Americans as fat, McDonald munching slobs with Bible in one hand and a loaded gun in another.
Aaah no; that would be another incorrect generalization again. Something only you and I can stop doing as individuals.

All three of those are perpetrated by your very own MSM far more than what Canadians perceive on their own.
 
Old 09-16-2016, 10:10 AM
 
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Given that Canada doesn't really step on anyone's toes internationally, and is a remote place for the majority of Earth population, and a first world country without well known internal problems, I don't think there is a negative stereotype of Canadians in the world at large. Do you have a negative stereotype of New Zealand ? Or Iceland ?
Said far more succinctly than my effort.
 
Old 09-16-2016, 11:17 AM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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There are many reasons why Europeans have illustrated a historical disdain for American travellers and that is due to more than just 'individual behaviour' as it would apply to Canadians, but rather more to do with the political machinations of a country bent on maintaining it's position, influence and wealth regardless of the resultant effects on others.

All of this is not to say that Canada, given the same economic and military clout, would have behaved any differently (or any other country for that matter) but one must at least acknowledge Canada has not, and does not tweak as many noses out of joint, simply because it CANNOT.

In that respect alone it would be erroneous to suggest Canada and Canadians have earned any negative reputation other than possibly one of being "irrelevant" or "benign" on the world stage.

Canadians given negative assessment overseas would primarily be due to individual bad behaviour while Americans on the other hand would be negatively judged for far more than that; they would also have to carry. however unfairly, the baggage for every idiotic foreign policy decision gone awry over the last 50 years.
On this I would agree.
 
Old 09-16-2016, 11:21 AM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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I believe Canadians are still able to display modesty in quantity and do not have the noted "reputation" foremost in their minds when travelling abroad. I believe we are still able to function as quiet well behaved tourists for the most part. There will always be exceptions to every nationality's garnered reputation but the one gained from decades of history will be the one most often referenced.

HOWEVER: having said that, it is one country in particular that provides us with the most opportunities to defend, rebut, debate, argue, convince, cajole, prove our historical standing and reputation. Why do you suppose that is A/J?

Are you going to surmise as is your usual forte, that it is due to Canadian 'faux superiority' as in the egg came before the chicken or would you at, least entertain the possibility that Canadians have been presented with far more scorn from below us than any kind of unprejudiced praise.
It would also not be inaccurate to state categorically that Canada and Canadians have received far more negativity from our neighbours to the south than from any other national source on the planet.

Decades of American belief we furnish nothing and receive all benefits from our partnership have inundated the average American with all sorts of nonsense about our "socialism", indeed even a period of them being told our leader was an avowed "communist" because he attempted to normalize relations up to China and Cuba. Our refusal to entertain participation in the Vietnam and Iraq debacles are also never far from the surface. Thank god we didn't jump onto those chump trains.

Prior to those, there was the stubborn and firm refusal to allow nukes into silos (though they were agreed to) built for the purpose and any kind of American specific military bases on our soil, in a deliberate effort to support our own identity, foreign policy and more importantly sovereignty. Wrong headed though they might have been, nevertheless it has left a bitter taste in some U.S. mouths.

I think you're seriously overstimating just how much the average American is interested and aware of Canada.


Even many seasoned politicians and foreign policy wonks in DC know dick about Canada, so imagine Joe Q. Public down there.


I believe that neither George W. Bush nor Barack Obama had ever been to Canada before becoming President of the United States.


We're just not on the radar down there - good or bad. Given that nothing "bad" that we do or have done sticks out in the mind of most Americans, my experience is that that overwhelmingly places us in the "good" category by default.
 
Old 09-16-2016, 12:34 PM
 
Location: Southeast Michigan
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Aaah no; that would be another incorrect generalization again. Something only you and I can stop doing as individuals.

All three of those are perpetrated by your very own MSM far more than what Canadians perceive on their own.
That's true, but also MSN / CNN / Fox (and BBC) are watched around the world far more than CBC. And unfortunately they are showing little restrain and a lot of unbridled propaganda. So our internal squabbles are being spilled all over the world, while most people outside of Canada don't know Trudeau from Cousteau.
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