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Old 04-24-2024, 11:08 AM
 
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“Mark Clark Extension Does No Perform Well in Charleston Residents’ Survey of Needs”

Good. It would only promote more suburban sprawl.

https://www.postandcourier.com/news/...8fac8dc6c.html
I respectfully disagree. Completing 526 will have positive impacts for West Ashley, James, Island, Downtown, and Johns Island. Roads are a trailing indicator of development. By the time a road is built or widened to capacity, the development has already happened, and that is exactly what we are seeing on Johns Island.

At this point, the residents of Johns Island need to figure out a comprehensive plan to guide their development in the future rather than sitting back and watching sprawl take over the island. I do not want to see Johns Island end up in a similar situation to where West Ashley is today—where the only option is to retrofit the sprawl.

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How attendees ranked them, the county found, is that out of the 22 potential fixes the Mark Clark Extension received less support than all but one, with just under 56 percent in favor.
Unless I am misinterpreting, "Just under 56% in favor" is a majority. I respect the Post and Courier for many things, but they have been biased against the completion of 526 for ages. Their coverage of this issue should be viewed through that lens.

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Old 04-24-2024, 01:29 PM
 
Location: Richmond,VA
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Lots of European cities have only three- to four-story buildings. An urban environment design-wise is created on a human scale, not by taller buildings. I’m fine with taller buildings on the upper peninsula, but there’s no reason a densely designed district of three- to four-story buildings would be any less urban.
My point was not to build tall buildings or that the project is not urban enough. I just think having all the buildings the same height is in the project is uninspired. It would have been nice to have designed 1 or 2 buildings a floor taller and maybe 1 or 2 buildings a floor shorter, just to have a more diversified overall project design.

When city council was voting on the Courier Square Phase 3 PUD earlier this year, Mayor Cogswell noted the project needed varying buildings heights to avoid having a "boxy" look on that city block.
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Old 04-24-2024, 01:34 PM
 
Location: Charleston, South Carolina
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They meant compared to other needs. James Island residents can expect more congestion on the connector to downtown if 526 is completed. At least there’s a plan to have a dedicated left turn lane onto Courtenay with two lanes continuing onto Calhoun.
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Old 04-24-2024, 01:50 PM
 
Location: Charleston, South Carolina
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My point was not to build tall buildings or that the project is not urban enough. I just think having all the buildings the same height is in the project is uninspired. It would have been nice to have designed 1 or 2 buildings a floor taller and maybe 1 or 2 buildings a floor shorter, just to have a more diversified overall project design.

When city council was voting on the Courier Square Phase 3 PUD earlier this year, Mayor Cogswell noted the project needed varying buildings heights to avoid having a "boxy" look on that city block.
You mean these? I like them. I wouldn’t want a large area of them. The accent along the roof line is nice. I’m also a fan of simplicity in architecture for a complex here and there. City council / the BAR reworked the guidelines to encourage more pitched roofs and other touches to prevent more monotony, though. I’m waiting to see examples of that, but most of what was recently built or under construction now got approved before the city’s architectural watchdogs said hey wait a minute.

https://maps.app.goo.gl/Dzpu1ZhrgxdeT1JTA?g_st=ic

https://maps.app.goo.gl/yV2uGx5JyJWpQhuG8?g_st=ic
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Old 04-24-2024, 05:09 PM
 
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“Mark Clark Extension Does No Perform Well in Charleston Residents’ Survey of Needs”

Good. It would only promote more suburban sprawl.

https://www.postandcourier.com/news/...8fac8dc6c.html
having looked through the proposals i'm going to assume that a projects ability to speed up traffic is inversely proportional to how popular it is. The Overpass in Mt. Pleasant over Houston Northcutt Avenue being the least popular project certainly points towards that. The vast majority of those projects seem to be more related to adding sidewalks and bike paths than actual road infrastructure improvements (i'll assume that the overpass over the trainline from park circle to what i'm fairly sure is called the NOMO area of North Charleston is also rather low on the list)
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Old 04-25-2024, 06:02 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Charlestondata View Post
“Mark Clark Extension Does No Perform Well in Charleston Residents’ Survey of Needs”

Good. It would only promote more suburban sprawl.

https://www.postandcourier.com/news/...8fac8dc6c.html
More roads will not promote more growth
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Old 04-25-2024, 06:05 AM
 
Location: Charleston, South Carolina
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More roads will not promote more growth
Since when?

Actually, it might not promote more growth as in more people migrating to this area just because of the new roads, but it will promote more development in the wrong places.
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Old 04-25-2024, 09:22 AM
 
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Since when?

Actually, it might not promote more growth as in more people migrating to this area just because of the new roads, but it will promote more development in the wrong places.
Well yes but not building the road simply means that the growth that does happen gets to use the same old roads, or are you going to tell me that the lack of a completed I-526 has meant John's and Jame's island haven't seen any real growth over the last few years?
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Old 04-25-2024, 12:17 PM
 
Location: Charleston, South Carolina
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Well yes but not building the road simply means that the growth that does happen gets to use the same old roads, or are you going to tell me that the lack of a completed I-526 has meant John's and Jame's island haven't seen any real growth over the last few years?
Not nearly as much growth as if 526 had been readily accessible leaving and coming all that time
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Old 04-26-2024, 05:15 AM
 
Location: Charleston, South Carolina
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Time to stop being old-school
Time to quit thinking new and expanded roads are the answer
They aren’t.
Fact

https://www.postandcourier.com/opini...0c451b891.html
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