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First off, being black myself, I know firsthand how folk can sometimes cry 'wolf!' (racism) where there is none...I only hope that this case comes to a frutiful conclusion for all concerned, and I fervently hope it's not totally a racial-discriminatory issue...
To address your second point, a little history...the dominant ethnic culture in the US has, for as long as I can remember, been whites...therefore, it is logical to assume that the lion's share of advertising dollars, film and tv, literary, what have you, has been pointed at the majority demographic...that ain't racist, sexist, or any other kind of 'ist'---it's documented fact...
When channels like BET, Teleumundo, the 'Black Shopping Channel' (that's a new one on me), etc, were conceived, they weren't done to spark cries of racism...it was because the targeted demographics for those stations had been severely underrepresented, and thus, those outlets were created so that they were able to see and interact with people of their own ethnicity...now, BET may have gone off the rails with some of its recent programming (and this is from a 50-something's viewpoint, so I may be a little outta touch here LOL), but its' initial thrust (along with that of, say, magazines like Ebony, Essence, Jet, etc, and other cable channels such as TVOne and the new station Centric) was to give black folk a chance to exhibit their lives and talents, and to give other blacks a beacon of hope that they too, with hard work and determination, could succeeed in the world...
You may not agree with me, and that's OK, but I'm sorry, I watch tv, read books and newspapers, and watch movies all the time...and I don't mind seeing my 'folks' doing well...and it detracts not one iota from the overall picture...that's not racist, it's called 'life in the modern USA/world'...I would be the biggest fool in captivity if I got PO'd and turned off the TV every time I saw a white face, or stopped reading books, listening to music, and a holy host of other stuff, simply because of whites' contributions to same...
To close, I thank god that I had parents who raised me to be a good citizen, neighbor, friend, husband, what have you, and NOT to cry racism every time something on TV or in real life doesn't go my way...it's counterproductive, loud, annoying, time-wasting, and just plain fargin' stupid to carry on like that
Excellent post of the day, maybe post of the year!
No they don't. I work with Cops all the time. They can turn a molehill into a mountain quicker than you can say "quick." But, they have a gun. And they can arrest you. THAT is what usually diffuses a situation. Not the police officer's pleasant demeanor.
yeah.. it all depends on the cop. My mom was handcuffed in Chicago after a traffic stop because some female cop who showed up late on the scene needed to show the guys how tough she was.
Also had a nephew detained because the cop said he needed to show him "how they do things down south"
He is a college graduate who works for a fortune 500 in NYC. There are good cops and bad cops....
No ani, I did not say they couldn't approach him.....read the post again. You are leaving an important part of the comment out.
Here is your post, verbatim, copied:
BUT CMPD can not approach him and ask him to move/turn around the cap.
That is the point here.
My point is . . . they are gonna just come up to him and grab him up and tell him he is arrested and not even tell him WHY????????
By Mr. Agnew's own admission, CMPD did not arrive, out of the clear blue, see this dude and decide to arrest him. He was FIRST approached by a security guard.
CMPD didn't come after him w/o first being called to do so . . . and they didn't just walk up to him and said "You are under arrest!!!!" They had to tell him WHY!
They didn't just show up like the SS and grab him up and haul him off. You said they can't say anything to him about turning his cap around. Then what were they gonna say? Nothing? "We have decided to arrest you but can't tell you WHY???"
They had to establish that he was the person who refused to comply with the dress code!
"Sir, you have been asked to turn your hat around or be escorted from the premises" - or something like that. And no, I am not trying to build a case for ANYTHING. They had to tell him something and they had to establish that he was, indeed, refusing to comply with the dress code and therefore, they could legitimately escort him out of the premises. per request of the Security guard!
BUT CMPD can not approach him and ask him to move/turn around the cap.
That is the point here.
My point is . . . they are gonna just come up to him and grab him up and tell him he is arrested and not even tell him WHY????????
By Mr. Agnew's own admission, CMPD did not arrive, out of the clear blue, see this dude and decide to arrest him. He was FIRST approached by a security guard.
CMPD didn't come after him w/o first being called to do so . . . and they didn't just walk up to him and said "You are under arrest!!!!" They had to tell him WHY!
They didn't just show up like the SS and grab him up and haul him off. You said they can't say anything to him about turning his cap around. Then what were they gonna say? Nothing? "We have decided to arrest you but can't tell you WHY???"
Not sure why you are playing like this? But none the less......I said "they can not come up to him and ask him to remove/turn his cap." That is what I said...They can not do this!!!! After all, that is not why he is being arrested is it???? They would tell him he is being arrested/pursued for trespass. They can not arrest someone for wearing a hat sideways, upside down or backwards......
Words mean something, no where did I say that they can not approach him.
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The Charlotte City Council has officially started an investigation on whether the management of the Epicenter in uptown Charlotte uses its dress code to illegally discriminate against Black people. This was in response to a Mr. Phillip Agnew going the city council and stating they are using the dress code to keep out members of the Black race. This is the 2nd time the Epicenter has been accused of this in two years.
Councilman Patrick Cannon said the Charlotte City council asked the CRC, Community Relations Committee to investigate. The head of the CRC, a Mr. Ledger Morrisette had this to say about the Epicenter..
"It (Epicenter) is on our radar now. People are.... are suspecting that the Epicenter or establishments at the Epicenter are illegally discriminating against them."
Apparently Mr. Agnew asked for an official response from the Charlotte Chamber of Commerce, but they won't touch this at all. Simply stating it would be in appropriate for us to get involved.
Y'know, I had a thought. I'm guessing that Mr Agnew is keeping this up for a reason, unrelated to race.
How much do you want to bet that Mr Agnew gets to court & his attorney says, "Your Honor, I petition for the charges to be dismissed on the grounds that Mr. Agnew can not get a fair trial. This is so well known that we can not find an unbiased jury in Mecklenburg County."
Y'know, I had a thought. I'm guessing that Mr Agnew is keeping this up for a reason, unrelated to race.
How much do you want to bet that Mr Agnew gets to court & his attorney says, "Your Honor, I petition for the charges to be dismissed on the grounds that Mr. Agnew can not get a fair trial. This is so well known that we can not find an unbiased jury in Mecklenburg County."
LOL. Interesting angle.
My thought was (especially after he admitted he wanted more publicity so he could get signatures on a petition) . . . was that he was planning to run for political office in the next election cycle.
Also, he mentioned the DNC coming here, so I would suspect he was hoping to garner some national attention in conjunction w/ national media picking his story up . . . as a New South "Freedom Fighter."
Not sure why you are playing like this? But none the less......I said "they can not come up to him and ask him to remove/turn his cap." That is what I said...They can not do this!!!! After all, that is not why he is being arrested is it???? They would tell him he is being arrested/pursued for trespass. They can not arrest someone for wearing a hat sideways, upside down or backwards......
Words mean something, no where did I say that they can not approach him.
And when the customer asks, "Why am I considered to be trespassing?", are you saying the police can't tell him?
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LOL. Interesting angle.
My thought was (especially after he admitted he wanted more publicity so he could get signatures on a petition) . . . was that he was planning to run for political office in the next election cycle.
Also, he mentioned the DNC coming here, so I would suspect he was hoping to garner some national attention in conjunction w/ national media picking his story up . . . as a New South "Freedom Fighter."
You could be right, Ani. This doessn't pass the smell test.
I really don't expect the CRC to even bring up the cops role in this. I know that's a big thing for you but I don't think that's the focus here.
Pardon me if I'm wrong but I don't think the latest articles mention CMPD as being part of the investigation.
I could upload the entire back and forth from city council if people think it would be helpful.
Everything you said is correct and this is the point. If the CMPD had not pulled this stunt, the city, the media, and the CRC would not be involved as it would then just be a private matter between the Epicenter and Mr. Agnew. Both have options in the civil court.
I don't expect the CMPD to be investigated. If this sort of thing was going to happen they would have started with the Chief of Police lying about having a college diploma, looked at what happened with the officers that commited serious crimes, performed an thorough look at the complete botch job surrounding the girl who died of drug overdoses, so forth and so on. Nothing will change with the current government in office.
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They would tell him he is being arrested/pursued for trespass. They can not arrest someone for wearing a hat sideways, upside down or backwards......
