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The 1.8/2.0T is found in several VWs and the 2.5 V6 is smaller then the V6 Camry's engine. That's about as rental as it gets. What are people like you going to do when BMW and Mercedes start offering 5/7 & E/S class with 4cyl engines in this country?
Everything smaller than a 3.5 V6 is not a rental engine. A rental engine is an engine that is readily found in a main stream rental cars. The 2.0T is not found in rentals. The 328i engine is not found in rentals. The 2.5 V6 is not found in rentals. None are rental car engines as they are not engines produced for rental and fleet sales. The 2.5 in the ATS is. It's about snobbery and perception and not diluting your brand by putting a rental car drive train in it. You enter a slipper slope... pretty soon your making four cylinder cars with plastic seats just because you can mark them up a few grand and turn a quick profit. Mercedes among my generation has no panache like it did before.
Start? They already do. It's not a concern as it's not a rental car engine in a luxury marque. Not that I particularly care. BMW stopped producing cars that I had any interest in a decade ago. Aside from AMG and M, anyway.
There is no tier 1 model. Stop kidding yourself. Whoever wins (sales) gets to make the rules.
The top four best selling premium vehicles:
Lexus ES - a tarted up Camry/Avalon (how is that tier 1? FWD and based on a cheaper car from a lower line.)
Lexus RX - a high riding tarted up Camry wagon (ditto)
Mercedes E
BMW 3
That's why the ATS is a "tier one" car no matter who makes it. If the XTS were to somehow outsell the ES ( which it won't, but the Lacrosse might and the two combined most likely will) it would make GM execs very happy and they couldn't care less what tier the internet people put it in. That's why they put all their emphasis on making competitors for those four vehicles first before ANYTHING else. Lacrosse/XTS, SRX, CTS, ATS. Everything else is secondary.
There is a tier 1 model and it has nothing to do with kidding oneself and much to do with reality. It is an expectation of features/quality for a particular segment that is decided by the market. Your comment on the other hand has zero relevance.
Don't know if this was said yet, but this instrument cluster looks bottom dollar...C'mon designers, OMG! Hopefully it looks a little more tasteful in person...but I like the cluster in my Volkswagens more.
edit - This car is located in Chicago, and is a ATS 3.6 AWD listed for $50,xxx
Don't know if this was said yet, but this instrument cluster looks bottom dollar...C'mon designers, OMG! Hopefully it looks a little more tasteful in person...but I like the cluster in my Volkswagens more.
edit - This car is located in Chicago, and is a ATS 3.6 AWD listed for $50,xxx
That look down right hideous. Hopefully it just doesn't translate well to photographs.
That is the instrument cluster in the ATS, down to mimicking a German fuel gauge as well, with no F and E. The F30 has a much better looking instrument cluster, though in the ATS, the main focus is on the center stack with CUE. I did not realize it when looking at the speedometer, but it does scream "parts bin," and reminds me of some of the Chevrolet speedometers.
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Don't know if this was said yet, but this instrument cluster looks bottom dollar...C'mon designers, OMG! Hopefully it looks a little more tasteful in person...but I like the cluster in my Volkswagens more.
edit - This car is located in Chicago, and is a ATS 3.6 AWD listed for $50,xxx
That doesn't look that horrible to me. I don't care for it.
The interior is just way too busy for my tastes, the dash I don't really find that objectionable. Hard to tell from a photograph, of course, but cars are for driving. Caddy interior looks like it was built for raccoons. Racoons love shinies.
That is the instrument cluster in the ATS, down to mimicking a German fuel gauge as well, with no F and E. The F30 has a much better looking instrument cluster, though in the ATS, the main focus is on the center stack with CUE. I did not realize it when looking at the speedometer, but it does scream "parts bin," and reminds me of some of the Chevrolet speedometers.
Which?
It looks old to me. Not enough plastic bezle and electro-luminescent Vegas Light Show to look contemporary. To me it looks more like something you'd find in a early 2000s car, definitely clashes with the Art and Science motif.
Forgot who said they were pricing a used SRX. The bf, my roommate, has a 2011 which has had to be repainted several times, had a pinched control which wouldn't allow the sunroof to close up, flooded with two inches of water in the rear compartment, a/c decided to blow warm air on the driver's side, and magically went out of gear on the expressway. The beast has been in the shop every time you turn around and has a long rap sheet with the service manager.
Don't know if this was said yet, but this instrument cluster looks bottom dollar...C'mon designers, OMG! Hopefully it looks a little more tasteful in person...but I like the cluster in my Volkswagens more.
edit - This car is located in Chicago, and is a ATS 3.6 AWD listed for $50,xxx
Other than the LCD display it looks like it came out of a Impala on a Hertz lot.
Audi and Lexus set the standard with their interiors as far as I am concerned.
Don't know if this was said yet, but this instrument cluster looks bottom dollar...C'mon designers, OMG! Hopefully it looks a little more tasteful in person...but I like the cluster in my Volkswagens more.
edit - This car is located in Chicago, and is a ATS 3.6 AWD listed for $50,xxx
Really? The instrument cluster on my wifes $25k Nissan Rogue looks more attractive and luxurious than that!
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