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?? They're building housing like mad all over Lakeview and Lincoln Park. There are 4,412 new units going up in 21 large developments and then dozens of smaller 2-4 unit buildings going up on residential streets from around North Ave to Irving Park and the lake to Ashland. Bucktown and Wicker Park are seeing even far more than that, Milwaukee Ave is like a mile long construction site with all the projects going on there, driven by the hotness of the neighborhood and the 606 trail. The north lakefront and then Wicker Park Bucktown certainly aren't hurting or depopulating. Crime there hasn't spiked or gone crazy over the past 10 years, although with social media and facebook, etc. the perception CERTAINLY has changed that it's far worse. Instead it's just that you see every single little thing that happens for better or worse.
Areas on the west side and south side are and continue to be the dire areas of the city of Chicago. Some stable/nice areas are losing residents due to physically larger housing sizes and smaller household populations moving into areas that used to have large household sizes and smaller units (mostly these areas are all gentrifying and going from more lower class to rich).
The big demographic changer in Chicago right now is the black population. The numbers have been changing very quickly, which is causing a lot of upheaval in many west/south areas.
There are now more white people in the city, about 25,000, as their numbers are growing, than black people. That hasn't happened in many decades, and if you told someone in 2000 that there would be more white people than black people they'd think you were crazy. The nosedive is very concerning.
The other big key is the overwhelming component of Chicago's population loss from 2000 to 2015 is people aged 0-17. It's losing its children, not the adults. Number of underage children:
The city actually has roughly the same population of those aged 18-64 as it did in 2000, although the population of those under 18 and above 64 has dropped by almost 200,000.
Hence the city actually has 41,470 more housing units than it had in the year 2000. Since 2000 there have been 112,490 new housing units built in Chicago, most all downtown, the near south areas, north lakefront and northwest side of the city. At the same time 71,020 units have been lost. Either to abandonment on the south and west sides, and also a large chunk has been older multi-unit buildings being torn down and replaced by luxury single family homes on the north side, or replaced by larger buildings with larger units, although fewer units.
Employment in the city it also at a high not seen since before de-industrialization in the middle of the 20th century. There were 1,155,332 people employed in the city in 2016, up around 144,000 from 2010 after the recession, and above previous highs back in the year 2000.
Downtown has seen the biggest jump, especially the last few years with between 10,000 and 26,500 jobs created in the immediate downtown area every year for the past six years. Downtown employment is up 20% from 2010, and up 10% from its previous all-time high in the year 2000 when the economy was booming in Chicago. There are nearly 600,000 jobs downtown with more and more corporate headquarters coming in all the time. That's been a HUGE push with the current administration and mayor, bringing jobs into downtown, as downtown is the biggest asset the metro area has right now to try and kickstart the rest of the economy back to solid growth. Downtown growth doesn't help south or west sides....but it's something and you always need something.
You can see the employment change in the number of L train rides per weekday. From 676,000 back 10 years ago to an average of 827,000 today. I pulled the September numbers for each year to compare, up 22% in a decade.
Pretty good analysis! I really suspect that the population of African Americans will be even lower come the 2020 census. Probably topping a loss of 100,000 imho. As for Hispanics, we saw a huge increase between 1990-2000 (growing by over 200,000 if my memory serves me correctly). Then a virtual stop between 2000-2010 (growing only by 25,000). My gut is telling me that this demographic group will soon be in decline within the city if it's not already as more and more Hispanic enclaves form in suburban areas.
2010 Census had 2,695,000 for the city, with Hispanics accounting for 755,000... Not a population boom, but hey, at least the city has added some people overall since 2010.
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To be fair, that is not very "Northeastern" like, where are the sidewalks? And when there is sidewalk why is it so far away from the street curb? I think that is the gripe that so many people have when referring to the "4th largest city in the country".
I mean even Fredericksburg, VA is built more urban than that in some places:
3rd too yep.
4th could be older HOUSTON? But homes too close, and a full sidewalk would not say Houston in da 50's.
Homes appear as on SLABS is Houston-esque too.
I'm in PA so I surely know attached wood-frame housing especially away from mostly brick used in southeast PA in older cities. Most are 3-stories and much half-double duplex. (one building split with a home each half, side by side).
They are common NYC borough's though the Mid-Atlantic states in older cities of all sizes. But ONCE ATTACHED more, they are ROW-HOMES. If newish with front-lawns and yardage? Then I call them Town-houses.
But the layout of the ALLEY-WAY blocks I posted from Houston as merely a block or two a couple times I saw. In random street-views of 2-older sprawling inner-city neighborhoods getting much NEW INFILL today.
Were quint-essential Chicago. The SIDE-VIEWS of da alleys ----> for sure. Fronts were in standard Chicago lay-out fashion too. Spaced/uniform/setbacks. Standard sidewalk and green-space with full CURBING lined with trees. Lot-size seemed even like Chi-towns 25'-26' x 125' in THIS BLOCK OF A HOUSTON DEVELOPERS FINISHED NEW INFILLL for a newer and denser Houston (BUT LOOKS OLD)
I reiterate, the first one is sooooooooooo Chicago looking (minus da ditch) I could bet my life LOL :
2nd two are the same NEW BLOCK. Why Chicago-esque in lat-out?
- alley-way in back
- alley lined with garages
- power-lines and poles run down alleys NOT FRONTS
- un-attached homes uniformly distanced apart and from streets
- homes w/standard set-backs with green-frontage, then sidewalk, then green with trees, then da curb.
- having uniform curbing ALL DA CITY. NO Ditches to fall to da death.
I mean ----> this block is NEW. Check out THAT @∞%%$$ of a DITCH??
A developer did that in Chi-Town even in the 1880s? After the Great-Fire it would not pass ZONING or ANYTHING . Realize this they still had houses for transport and DUNG PICK-UP in da alleys original purpose LOL.
^^^ To me -----> HOUSTON, Why isn't that a lawsuit of a accident? Waiting to happen?
Now Check out the HOMES. Apparently, built before 2007 older street-view still has it. But probably still built in the 2000s?
Eastern OLD COAL MINING TOWN LOOK NEAR ME. I am FULLY ~S E R I O U S ~ I think OLD COAL COMPANY BUILT HOMES.
*** but it is merely 2 blocks of ----> HOUSTON, So what are you allowing developers to RE-CREATE YOU INTO?
* answer: whatever they want......
I could almost have a game- a newly re-developed block in Houston of infill, and LET'S PLAY GUESS WHAT CITY OR REGION IT APPEARS LIKE?
The developer could ask? Where are you moving from? The East, Midwest, Appalachia? Then say----> OK, WE CAN BUILD YOU YOUR BLOCK FROM BACK HOME....
Pretty good analysis! I really suspect that the population of African Americans will be even lower come the 2020 census. Probably topping a loss of 100,000 imho. As for Hispanics, we saw a huge increase between 1990-2000 (growing by over 200,000 if my memory serves me correctly). Then a virtual stop between 2000-2010 (growing only by 25,000). My gut is telling me that this demographic group will soon be in decline within the city if it's not already as more and more Hispanic enclaves form in suburban areas.
2010 Census had 2,695,000 for the city, with Hispanics accounting for 755,000... Not a population boom, but hey, at least the city has added some people overall since 2010.
Hispanics are moving out of traditionally Hispanic areas (Pilsen, Logan Square, Humboldt Park) and moving to the outskirts like Garfield Ridge, Portage park, and Galewood, as well as nearby suburbs like Berwyn, Brookfield, Oak Lawn, Elmwood Par, River Grove.
Hispanics are moving out of traditionally Hispanic areas (Pilsen, Logan Square, Humboldt Park) and moving to the outskirts like Garfield Ridge, Portage park, and Galewood, as well as nearby suburbs like Berwyn, Brookfield, Oak Lawn, Elmwood Par, River Grove.
Yes, those once heavily Polish/Irish areas as seeing a growth in Hispanics.
More and more Hispanics are moving to the collar counties. Joliet, Aurora, Elgin, Waukegan, Gurnee. In fact they are now all gateways communities. A large percentage of Hispanics who live there totally bypassed the city.
In the metro area there are now well over 2 million Hispanics
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In metropolitan areas, Chicago-Naperville-Elgin ranked sixth in Latino population at 2.1 million people in 2014, with 64 percent of the Latino population born in the U.S. The metropolitan area of Los Angeles-Long Beach-Anaheim, Calif., came in first with a Latino population of 6 million people. In 2007, Chicago came in third at 1.8 million Latinos
To be fair, that is not very "Northeastern" like, where are the sidewalks? And when there is sidewalk why is it so far away from the street curb? I think that is the gripe that so many people have when referring to the "4th largest city in the country".
I mean even Fredericksburg, VA is built more urban than that in some places:
Chicago is interesting in that you can't classify it as looking "Northeastern" or "Midwestern" because it changes so much depending on what section of the city you are in. As someone who has lived in the northeast (Philly), it definitely does have "Northeastern" looking sections of the city. The pictures he posted
Downtown is obviously big and bustling, and especially in the Loop shares similarities to NYC, Philly, and Boston. And up and down lakeshore drive there are classic high rises that you see in the NE.
If someone has time to do google maps streetviews of Lincoln Park, Lake View, and the Gold Coast- that's where you'll see the row-houses/brownstones that remind me of the northeast. Tri-Taylor/Little Italy area has a quasi northeast look/feel to it. Uptown and Edgewater have lots of high rises that can remind one of the NE cities. These areas look nothing like the views he posted. If I have time this weekend, I'll post some street views.
Other parts of the city in the far west and far south sides have full lawns which could resemble suburban Midwest.
Then you've got the bungalows in many sections on the west and south sides of the city. Add to that the very industrial sections on the west and southwest sides of the city.
All that makes it impossible to really classify the city based on its looks. There are definitely "northeast" sections of the city, but plenty of "Midwestern" sections too.
Chicago is interesting in that you can't classify it as looking "Northeastern" or "Midwestern" because it changes so much depending on what section of the city you are in. As someone who has lived in the northeast (Philly), it definitely does have "Northeastern" looking sections of the city. The pictures he posted
Downtown is obviously big and bustling, and especially in the Loop shares similarities to NYC, Philly, and Boston. And up and down lakeshore drive there are classic high rises that you see in the NE.
If someone has time to do google maps streetviews of Lincoln Park, Lake View, and the Gold Coast- that's where you'll see the row-houses/brownstones that remind me of the northeast. Tri-Taylor/Little Italy area has a quasi northeast look/feel to it. Uptown and Edgewater have lots of high rises that can remind one of the NE cities. These areas look nothing like the views he posted. If I have time this weekend, I'll post some street views.
Other parts of the city in the far west and far south sides have full lawns which could resemble suburban Midwest.
Then you've got the bungalows in many sections on the west and south sides of the city. Add to that the very industrial sections on the west and southwest sides of the city.
All that makes it impossible to really classify the city based on its looks. There are definitely "northeast" sections of the city, but plenty of "Midwestern" sections too.
Outside the Manhattanizing of downtown with skyscraper living thy says Manhattan, some old brick to greystone Victorians and some rows you mentioned to the East. MUCH of Chicago-style housing is more unique to it then like the East.
Really, NOT Eastern :
- the bungalow-belt and styles are NOT EASTERN. That's 1/3 of the city.
- The 50s 60s ranch-bungalow styles and mid-century homes to apartments are not,
- the earlier common 2-3 flats brick are not,
- alleys lined with garages as standard basically, is not Eastern
- power-lines/poles hid in alleys is NOT EASTERN.
With few areas of homes built to the sidewalk/curb as in the East. A difference in old Eastern vs. Chicago built look Is this built-style IS NOT common in Chicago.
So Chicago having far less attached/Simi-attached to row housing of the East built makes it overall LESS EASTERN LOOKING TO ME. Still high density by American standards though it shares with the East.
My comments were on what I saw in Houston's new infill in some ringing neighborhoods of its core. Developers build whatever concept of re-developments they want. So with NO CITY ZONING FOR SOME UNIFORMITY. You then get one block with one style and layout ND the next a totally other one.
I showed some views TOTLLALY reminiscent of a Chicago look and layout. TO ME IRONIC.
One thing Chicago has uniform is its block layout with the city 90% with alleyways. So a Houston NEW development where the developer ADDS A ALLEY, puts garages lining it, moves or was convenient for the power-lines and poles?????
You got the Chicago-esque standard in that block. Add fronts with close bur unattached single homes with a standard set-back of homes on a tree-lined street with full side walk and full curbing.... Chicago virtually any neighborhood. Just the Older neighborhoods where street-raising occurred have less frontage.
I can tell INSTANTLY if a block I see, street-views or photo. Is Chicago. It is thy unique in having. The aspects I mentioned as standard built and much of its basic residential architecture too.
It was really a hodgepodge of blocks of NEW INFILL IN HOUSTON I FOUND. I could place certain blocks in a city or region it looked most like and NOT anything standard Houston...
I live in the East and found new infill looking like a much older East-coast block. Lived in Chicago so found some like it to me.
I like Chicago's uniform blocks all through the city. With Houston today and its re-evolving its oldest sprawling areas. You see nothing in uniformity with each development or block re-do? A new surprise just around the corner. I'm in the East in look on one, the Midwest in another, the Southern to Cali-look block.
Pretty good analysis! I really suspect that the population of African Americans will be even lower come the 2020 census. Probably topping a loss of 100,000 imho. As for Hispanics, we saw a huge increase between 1990-2000 (growing by over 200,000 if my memory serves me correctly). Then a virtual stop between 2000-2010 (growing only by 25,000). My gut is telling me that this demographic group will soon be in decline within the city if it's not already as more and more Hispanic enclaves form in suburban areas.
2010 Census had 2,695,000 for the city, with Hispanics accounting for 755,000... Not a population boom, but hey, at least the city has added some people overall since 2010.
Yes, from 2010 to 2015 the Asian, Hispanic and White populations all actually grew by right about the same amount 20,000 to 25,000 each. The black population though went down by almost 40,000.
The fact that domestic out-migration is increasing birth rates falling as are international immigration rates. You don't have all three of these factors occurring (all probably have declining birth rates) in any other major metropolitan area.
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