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Old 06-14-2010, 08:28 PM
 
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If you don't trust the Holy Spirit working through the translators, then you have nothing.

NOTHING.

Man and kings are pebbles of sand on a beach to God.

Prov. 21:1 - The king's heart is like channels of water in the hand of the LORD; He turns it wherever He wishes.

Nobody does anything outside of God's sovereign will.
And he allows people to twist his character and purpose to suit their ends.


Jeremiah 8:8. "'How can you say, "We are wise because we have the word of the LORD," when your teachers have twisted it by writing lies?


Don't you remember the Old Testament story of the king who found the lost scriptures?

Look around this planet. God allows many terrible men to do many terrible things.

You have to figure out what God's character is all about before you can discern what He would and wouldn't write.
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Old 06-14-2010, 08:36 PM
 
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I think it could be accurate or maybe inaccurate.

We do not have the original manuscripts anymore, so who can be 100% certain?

However, there seems to be evidence that this KJV verses had been tampered with by a Catholic who added words which were not in the original manuscripts.

But we are unable to be 100% certain.

Will this verse cause a person to be lost is the question I have for you. Will it? Or is faith in Jesus enough to save a person?
Will it cause them to be lost? It may cause them to doubt the bible and the motives of the men who wrote it. This may lead to unbelief.
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Old 06-14-2010, 08:37 PM
 
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Every single word? So, what do you think about the following verses?



1 John 5:7-8 (King James Version)



7For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. 8And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.
Absolutely true - as is this version.

1 John 5:7-8 (NASB) - 7 For there are three that testify: 8 the Spirit and the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement.

Do they contradict in message? No. There are three that testify both in earth and in heaven. The NASB leaves out the heavenly reference for whatever reason. The message hasn't changed.

I understand your idea - but you can not completely change doctrines through different translations.

Matt. 25:46 - "everlasting punishment" - KJV
- "eternal punishment" - NASB
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Old 06-14-2010, 08:44 PM
 
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we cannot completely trust any copies or translations as they all contain some errors and typo's etc.
These are quite minor and do not affect any doctrine.
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Old 06-14-2010, 08:48 PM
 
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Absolutely true - as is this version.

1 John 5:7-8 (NASB) - 7 For there are three that testify: 8 the Spirit and the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement.

Do they contradict in message? No. There are three that testify both in earth and in heaven. The NASB leaves out the heavenly reference for whatever reason. The message hasn't changed.

I understand your idea - but you can not completely change doctrines through different translations.

Matt. 25:46 - "everlasting punishment" - KJV
- "eternal punishment" - NASB
Matt. 25:46(YLT)
And these shall go away to punishment age-during, but the righteous to life age-during.

Matt. 25:46(Weymouth New Testament)
And these shall go away into the Punishment of the Ages, but the righteous into the Life of the Ages.
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Old 06-14-2010, 08:56 PM
 
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And he allows people to twist his character and purpose to suit their ends.


Jeremiah 8:8. "'How can you say, "We are wise because we have the word of the LORD," when your teachers have twisted it by writing lies?


Don't you remember the Old Testament story of the king who found the lost scriptures?

Look around this planet. God allows many terrible men to do many terrible things.

You have to figure out what God's character is all about before you can discern what He would and wouldn't write.
We wouldn't know about God today if there was not a reference available. He tells us who He is in the Bible so that everyone who believes in Him has the same frame of reference. Otherwise, there would only be people verbally stating what the Spirit communicated. That would be mass confusion.
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Old 06-14-2010, 08:59 PM
 
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Jeremiah 8:8. "'How can you say, "We are wise because we have the word of the LORD," when your teachers have twisted it by writing lies?
Which version? Seems quite interpretative.
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Old 06-14-2010, 09:01 PM
 
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Matt. 25:46(YLT)
And these shall go away to punishment age-during, but the righteous to life age-during.

Matt. 25:46(Weymouth New Testament)
And these shall go away into the Punishment of the Ages, but the righteous into the Life of the Ages.
Not exactly a main translation - but I will play along.

Where/when/how do they get out of the "punishment age"according to these translations?
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Old 06-14-2010, 09:13 PM
 
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Not exactly a main translation - but I will play along.

Where/when/how do they get out of the "punishment age"according to these translations?
That is easy, whenever the age/ages in which they are punished ends.
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Old 06-14-2010, 09:15 PM
 
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Absolutely true - as is this version.

1 John 5:7-8 (NASB) - 7 For there are three that testify: 8 the Spirit and the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement.

Do they contradict in message? No. There are three that testify both in earth and in heaven. The NASB leaves out the heavenly reference for whatever reason. The message hasn't changed.

I understand your idea - but you can not completely change doctrines through different translations.

Matt. 25:46 - "everlasting punishment" - KJV
- "eternal punishment" - NASB
Of course they are different. One is an attempt to try to slip in a reference to a trinity that does not exist in the original wording. The fact that there were spurious motives to try to keep that text in there to try to support the trinity concept, makes one leery as to what should be believed in the rest of the bible.
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