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Yes. You are wrong. Your words in your posts and your attitude belie your statement that you can admit you are wrong.
I am not wrong. Nor can I be deceived by those who are but puppets of Satan who wishes to prevent those who he may from realizing the importance of receiving Christ as Savior before they die, because there are no opportunities to be saved after death.
For the believer to have a teachable spirit he must be under the control of the indwelling Holy Spirit. The means by which this is accomplished is by utilizing the principle of 1 John 1:9 to simply name your known sins to God. This takes the believer out from under the control of his old sin nature and back under the control of God the Holy Spirit. This is called the filling of the Spirit. The believer is commanded to be filled with the Spirit (Ephesians 5:18). The believer who is filled with the Holy Spirit is enabled to understand the spritual phenomenon which is Bible doctrine.
For more information on this most basic of Bible doctrines, simply refer to the following link...
Doctrine of Rebound (http://jrcyouth.com/love1.htm - broken link)
To whom does the hatred belong? To those who warn the lost of their condition so that they may understand the issue and escape the eternal future of the lost through faith in Christ, or to those who continually mislead others into thinking that everyone will eventually be saved when the reality is that those who die without Christ will spend eternity in the lake of fire?
God does not and cannot compromise His holiness on the basis of His love. God's love motivated Him to provide the means of salvation, but it was His holiness that actually made salvation possible. It is that same holiness that demands the the unbeliever remain eternally separated from God in the lake of fire.
Then you have not read enough of my posts. The solution is to simply go back and read them.
From the lips of Jesus Himself. Matthew 25:41 ''Then He (Jesus referring to Himself) will also say to those on His left, 'Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels; 46] ''And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.'' It wasn't Frank Herbert who wrote those words in the Bible, it was God Himself through the apostle Matthew.
God does not harden the hearts of those who believe His word. He hardens the hearts of those who have first already rejected the truth.
Scripture after Scripture make it abundantly clear that there are many who will never be saved. Universalists are in direct contradition of the stated word of God.
Your words are a perfect example of the bigotry and hate and the sinister nature of traditional fundamentalist Christianity, i appreciate your participation in this thread.
So is your toleration momentary? Do you belive that the very people you tolerate deserve to be tortured? Or annihilated? Lets get right down to the point. Do you believe that unbelievers(those who are not Christian) deserve to be tortured, or killed? Yes or no?
Define torture. Do you mean be forced to listen to terrible music? Sure why not.
Killed? Depends on the offense, have they killed or maimed others.
Not really a yes or no scenerio. What would Jesus do?
And you wonder why so many find your god so distasteful. No matter how one lives their life, if they don't perform the right rituals, say the right words, then it's off to the lake of fire. Very myopic of your god don't you think, but it is effective in delivering the "fear" message ain't it.
Also very myopic of the followers that can't see beyond the bully tactics of the constant threat of this lake of fire.
Well God set the rules and if someone chooses to break them then they reap what they sow.
No - it is your opinion that it is human pride and arrogance and foolishness for anyone to not believe in God. Not believing in something and denying something are very different. And my non-belief is not due to pride or arrogance - it is due to not knowing. I do not know all the answers. Maybe for some it is pride - but it is not for all. Non-belief is something that you don't seem to be able to comprehend. Making up facts about things that you do not comprehend does not make them true. If you really want to know what is in the hearts of others - ask them. Then you will find out what makes them unbelievers.
You can say "the reality of it" but that doesn't make it true. That might be your reality - but it is certainly not "the reality of it." Opinions are opinions - not facts.
You have been given the Gospel and you have chosen to reject it. You have said in other threads, words to the effect that you have no interest in being 'converted'.
1 Cor 1:18 For the word of the cross is to those who are perishing foolishness, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God, 19] for it is written, ''I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, And the cleverness of the clever I will set aside.'' 20] Where is the wise man? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? 21] For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not come to know God, God was well pleased through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe.
2 Cor 4:3 And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing, 4] in whose case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelieving, that they might not see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.
Psalm 14:1 The fool has said in his heart, ''There is no God.''
And it is a fool who cannot see his own arrogance.
Your words are a perfect example of the bigotry and hate and the sinister nature of traditional fundamentalist Christianity, i appreciate your participation in this thread.
Peace ...
For those who haven't as yet seen 'my words', readers may refer back to posts #20, 29 and 37 to see what the above fella calls hatred.
You have been given the Gospel and you have chosen to reject it. You have said in other threads, words to the effect that you have no interest in being 'converted'.
1 Cor 1:18 For the word of the cross is to those who are perishing foolishness, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God, 19] for it is written, ''I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, And the cleverness of the clever I will set aside.'' 20] Where is the wise man? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? 21] For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not come to know God, God was well pleased through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe.
2 Cor 4:3 And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing, 4] in whose case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelieving, that they might not see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.
Psalm 14:1 The fool has said in his heart, ''There is no God.''
And it is a fool who cannot see his own arrogance.
I understand that your religion is the only truth to you. I respect that. It is not my truth. I am neither proud nor arrogant about my beliefs. I simply believe what I believe. There are so many different religions in this world. I respect them all.
You may think me a fool. You may think I'm Satan himself for all I care. Your opinion of me does not matter to me since I do not know you. In the same respect - my opinion, I'm sure, does not matter to you as I don't know you. I'm sure if we actually met in person - we could have lovely conversations - as I'm a very friendly and funny person. Maybe you would even forget for second that I'm going to hell!
Maybe we could all just spend less time thinking about people that we hate or think are wicked or think are doomed to hell - and think about all the good things and the good people in this world. I also think there is good to be found in everyone and everything. There is no person that we can't learn at least one little thing from.
For those who haven't as yet seen 'my words', readers may refer back to posts #20, 29 and 37 to see what the above fella calls hatred.
I'm not saying you are filled with hatred. I think you have made assumptions about people that you know nothing about but I never mentioned hatred. Mean - maybe a little. But I don't think your intention was to be nice.
Oh - and I'm not a fella.
You have been given the Gospel and you have chosen to reject it. You have said in other threads, words to the effect that you have no interest in being 'converted'.
1 Cor 1:18 For the word of the cross is to those who are perishing foolishness, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God, 19] for it is written, ''I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, And the cleverness of the clever I will set aside.'' 20] Where is the wise man? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? 21] For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not come to know God, God was well pleased through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe.
2 Cor 4:3 And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing, 4] in whose case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelieving, that they might not see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.
Psalm 14:1 The fool has said in his heart, ''There is no God.''
And it is a fool who cannot see his own arrogance.
Many of us don't want to be converted. Some of us are atheists others have their own religious tradition. We are good people. We are not evil or lost.
It is the folks who preach eternal damnation and lakes of hellfire and the hate of Christianity that made me go the other way. I am as sure as you are about my faith tradition. My extended family is Christian and I have never heard them utter any of what I have heard here on these forums coming from some of the Christians. They are loving, giving and truly follow what they see and believe to be what Christianity teaches.
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