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Originally Posted by InsaneInDaMembrane
Let's look at Psalm 82 a little more closely shall we plus a few other points.
1. If these judges are mere humans (amongst the Israelites) or the judges of Israel or even the people of Israel, please provide a moment in Israel's history when a group of men from their ranks was responsible for the ENTIRE earth? (See Psalm 82:8)
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Asking God to judge the earth in 82:8 is not saying a group of men were responsible for the entire earth.
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2. Why should the earth "totter" because of their slacking in their jobs?
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Where in the 82nd Psalm is it stated the earth totters due to their slacking in their jobs?
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3. Why are mere men sentenced to die like men? Isn't this clearly redundant?
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Not really redundant.
One possibility is Adam Clark's commentary states:
"Psa 82:7 -
But ye shall die like men - כאדם keadam, “ye shall die like Adam,†who fell
from his high perfection and dignity as ye have done. Your high office
cannot secure you an immortality." (end quote)
Spirit beings don't die. Satan, a spirit being, when cast into the lake of fire and sulphur doesn't die from that.
Albert Barnes' Notes on the Bible states:
And fall like one of the princes - And die as one of the princes. The
idea in the word fall may be, perhaps, that they would die by the hand of
violence - or be cut down, as princes often are, e. g. in battle. The use of
the word princes here denotes that they would die as other persons of
exalted rank do; that is, that they were mortal as all people, high and low,
are - as common people are, and as princes are. Though they had names
- אל 'Êl, and אלהים 'Elohiym - that suggested the idea of divinity, yet such
appellations did not make any real change in their condition as people, and
as subject to the ordinary laws under which people live. Whatever name
they bore. it did not afford any security against death." (end quote)
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In adding a point about angels, the Hebrew word for "angels" is mal'akim and the passages in the bible that speaks of the "sons of god" is translated from the Hebrew Bene-elohim. Anyone else see a difference here?
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Nothing is said of angels in Psalm 82 nor anything said of "sons of God."
In 82:6 it is stated "you are elohim" or "subjectors" and "sons of the Supreme." Adam was called a son of God.
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One only need look at the first two chapters of Job to see the council in action when the adversary (satan) shows up with them. These were NOT mal'akim who were meeting before god. These were the bene-elohim. Did I not hear that Job is the oldest or one of the oldest books in the Bible?
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In Job the sons of Elohim could be leaders of the nations of that area or could be angelic beings. We are not told. But even if they were angelic beings this would not prove they were angelic beings in Psalm 82. Angelic beings don't die like men being spirit beings.
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If we now head back to the idea that the divine council are other gods, we need look no further than a mere 7 chapters ahead (chapter 89) in the book of Psalms. Here, the Jews have an exalted view of their god who is now identified with El. How is Yahweh extolled? Read this (Young's literal translation):
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and the heavens confess Thy wonders, O Jehovah, Thy faithfulness also [is] in an assembly of holy ones.
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In the Scriptures "holy ones" or "saints" were the Israelites. Holy means "set apart". The Israelites were set apart from the rest of the nations to be God's special group.
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For who in the sky, Compareth himself to Jehovah? Is like to Jehovah among sons of the mighty [bene-elohim]?
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Again, Psa 89:6 For who in the skies can be appraised with Yahweh? Who is like Yahweh among the sons of the elim?
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God is very terrible, In the secret counsel of His holy ones, And fearful over all surrounding Him. (Psalm 89:5-7)
Certainly this passage is NOT speaking about mortal men.
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Again, "holy ones" are "saints" (saint just means "set apart") and are the Israelites who are
set apart.
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All throughout the Psalms we find mention of other gods and Yahweh's comparison to them (at times).
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Whether they are the gods (idols) of the nations or "elohim" i.e. judges or arbiters of Israel is what is important to note.
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Here's a list:
Psalm 86:8 - Among the gods there is none like you, O Yahweh; neither [are there any works] like your works.
Psalm 95:3 - For Yahweh is a great God, and a great King above all gods.
Psalm 96:4 - For Yahweh is great, and deserving of exceedingly great praise: he is
to be feared above all gods.
Psalm 97:7 - All who served images were put to shame; those who boasted in
mere idols; even all the gods bow down before him [Yahweh, see v. 5 preceding]
Psalm 97:9 - For you, O Yahweh, are Most High above all the earth: you are
exalted far above all gods.
Psalm 135:5 - For I know that Yahweh is great, and that our lord is above all
gods.
Psalm 136:2 - O give thanks to the God of gods: for his mercy endures for ever.
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Adam Clarke's Commentary on the Bible states:
"Psa 136:2 -
The God of gods - לאדני האדנים ladonai haadonim. As adonai signifies
director, etc., it may apply here, not to idols, for God is not their god; but
to the priests and spiritual rulers; as Lord of lords may apply to kings and
magistrates, etc. He is God and ruler over all the rulers of the earth,
whether in things sacred or civil."
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Psalm 138:1 - I will praise you with my whole heart: before the gods will I sing praise to you.
Humans???
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Of course humans. David was praising God before the elohim/judges/arbiters of Israel. Why would David have all sorts of idols (gods) and be in the midst of those idols praising the Supreme God/Elohim? Does that really make sense to you. What I see is you are grasping at straws.
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Now that the context of the ENTIRE book in relation to this topic is before us, please now see if we can place Psalm 82 in context now.
Thank you
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Psalms 82:1-8 CLV An Asaphic Psalm Elohim is stationed in the congregation of El;
Among the elohim is He judging:
(2) How long shall you judge with iniquity
And lift up the faces of the wicked? Interlude
(3) Redress the poor and the orphan;
To the humbled and destitute grant justice.
(4) Deliver the poor and the needy;
From the hand of the wicked, give rescue."
(5) They do not know and are not understanding;
In darkness are they walking about;
All the foundations of the earth are slipping.
(6) I Myself have said: you are elohim,
And sons of the Supreme are all of you."
(7) Yet you shall die like common humanity,
And like any other of the chiefs you shall fall."
(8) Do arise, O Elohim; do judge the earth;
For it is You Yourself Who shall have the allotment of all the nations."
Jesus, when quoting Psalm 82:6 said it was pertaining to humans. Jesus was a Jew Who knew His Scriptures.
Spirit beings don't die.
God was judging those human judges in Israel for all the reasons given in the psalm.