Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
many lost will go every chance to feed at any hope the breast of God's indignity. the beast they know. their guilt is no lessened in the no respect. its because they want long to become mirror of wicked beast and God wants pilgrim to be mirror of good. this is the selfish pride sensual carnel.
That's misleading. The first clearly Universalist writings are by Clement of Alexandria who lived from about 150-211 AD. And then by his student Origen (184-253 AD.)
The Alexandrian school of theology was represented by Clement of Alexandria and by Origen.
The school of Antioch was not founded until the 2nd century.
The school of Caesaria was founded by Origen when he arrived there in 231 AD. (that's the 3rd century) after being banished by Dementrius of Alexandria.
The precise time of the founding of the school of Edessa seems to be unknown, but was sometime during the 2nd century.
Universalism was not taught by any of the church fathers until sometime in the 2nd century.
Universalism was not taught in the church during the 1st century. Universalism may have roots in Gnostic teachings, but Gnosticism was an attack on Biblical teaching.
Mike, when you say the "first writings" of anything AS IF there were no writings prior that are extant then your logic is reflecting gaping holes.
That's misleading. The first clearly Universalist writings are by Clement of Alexandria who lived from about 150-211 AD. And then by his student Origen (184-253 AD.)
The Alexandrian school of theology was represented by Clement of Alexandria and by Origen.
The school of Antioch was not founded until the 2nd century.
The school of Caesaria was founded by Origen when he arrived there in 231 AD. (that's the 3rd century) after being banished by Dementrius of Alexandria.
The precise time of the founding of the school of Edessa seems to be unknown, but was sometime during the 2nd century.
Universalism was not taught by any of the church fathers until sometime in the 2nd century.
Universalism was not taught in the church during the 1st century. Universalism may have roots in Gnostic teachings, but Gnosticism was an attack on Biblical teaching.
Just as universalism is not taught in the bible or was it taught by Jesus or the Apostles.
Well how is this for "semantics" ... The doctrine of ET is the most violent and cruel and brutal doctrine ever taught by any religion throughout history.
Violence, cruelty and brutality are the most base and repugnant of all human characteristics, and many of those people who believe in ET and support it and have faith in it are the most brutal and cruel kind of people, while many of the others are simply double minded cowards. the rest are simply brainwashed and have no inkling of the history of the church and the development of the doctrines of the church as they exist today.
The doctrine of ET = infinite brutality and cruelty and breeds nothing but fear and hate ... Love and brutality and cruelty are in opposition to each other, but so long as you think you are are special, then its okay ... right? Who cares what happens to everyone else?
At some point it becomes more than just denial. It ultimatly becomes arrogant accusations that is aimed against God.
"those who don't believe in your nasty, vile, and wicked ET doctrine"
The only humble pie that is going to happen will be toward those who think that Jesus is going to relinquish the judges throne by not avenging the blood and the persecution of the saints by evil men, sin, death and the devil.
While I believed in the vile doctrine of eternal torment and all its spin off doctrines from it, it was nothing other than a defamation of the nature and character of God. There will be plenty more hearts pierced and mourning when they realize they did the same.
This view simply rejects the God of the bible, the Jesus of the bible and is nothing more than a lie of satan to decieve all he can to reject God. I see it is working on many today. We must correct this evil lie that everyone will be saved and teach what God really has to say on the subject.
This view simply rejects the God of the bible, the Jesus of the bible and is nothing more than a lie of satan to decieve all he can to reject God. I see it is working on many today. We must correct this evil lie that everyone will be saved and teach what God really has to say on the subject.
Acts 5:39. But if it is from God, you will not be able to stop these men; you will only find yourselves fighting against God."
for we are not able to do anything against the truth, but for the truth;
The Truth is God IS. He IS the Savior........period.
This view simply rejects the God of the bible, the Jesus of the bible and is nothing more than a lie of satan to decieve all he can to reject God. I see it is working on many today. We must correct this evil lie that everyone will be saved and teach what God really has to say on the subject.
So which of these four views do you choose that you think is what God really has to say on the subject?
Just curious
I did not read that link. I read and listen to what God has said. I accept God's view.
All four views accept their point of view as what God said and what God's view is.
No doubt you believe one of them since there is no fifth alternative.
I'm wondering which one it is that you do believe.
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.
Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
Another point of view from the op
So which of the four views do you choose?
