Some false teachings to be avoided.. (Mormon, LDS, believe, scripture)
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Help us do what? Yes, He helps and empowers us to do His will, but too often, we seek his assistance in doing OUR will and there are plenty of teachers and preachers out there teaching the false doctrine of self-fulfillment.
I would certainly agree that self-fulfillment would be a false doctrine. I once read a clever little quote along the lines of our seeking His assistance in doing OUR will. It said, “Most people want to serve God, but only in an advisory capacity.”
What sin do you believe a newborn baby to be guilty of? The sin of being born?
What sin is a baby born with? ..... God revealed it, Jesus revealed.
"in sin did my mother conceive me." .... God Psalm 51:5
"flesh gives birth to flesh"..... Jesus John 3:6
God revealed: "Even from birth the wicked go astray; from the womb they are wayward and speak lies" Psalm 58:3
Kinda sucks doesn't ... knowing that God revealed the truth with such specificity that the only way to get around it is by simply rejecting.
It is rather obvious. Psalm 51:5 .
The choice is simple .... believe it as the truth or or reject it.
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Originally Posted by Katzpur
By the time a woman is old enough to bear children, she has most definitely sinned. In sin she will conceive her children.
That's the only other plausable explanation isn't. Either one is conceived a sinner or conceiving is a sin.
And since you reject the teaching of being conceived a sinner....then I suppose if you're going to want to give it your 100%,
(with forgiveness based on total abandonment of sin), then you'd better not have baby or attempt to have one.
I do recall you do having a problem with people that "talk the talk but not walk the walk"
"Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me."
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Originally Posted by Katzpur
How many babies do you believe start speaking either truth or lies "as soon as they are born"?
I don't question a revelation simply because it doesn't make me feel good or I don't understand it.
I focus on the fact that God revealed it, so the Godly thing to do is to conform to it...not reform God's revelation.
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Originally Posted by Katzpur
If and when you ever look into the eyes of your newborn child, you will see pure innocence, not depravity.
God doesn't look at what humans look at:
1 Chronicles 28:9
"for the LORD searches every heart and understands every motive behind the thoughts."
Psalm 7:9
"O righteous God, who searches minds and hearts"
Romans 8:27
"And he who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for the saints in accordance with God’s will."
What sin is a baby born with? ..... God revealed it, Jesus revealed.
"in sin did my mother conceive me." .... God Psalm 51:5
"flesh gives birth to flesh"..... Jesus John 3:6
God revealed: "Even from birth the wicked go astray; from the womb they are wayward and speak lies" Psalm 58:3
Kinda sucks doesn't ... knowing that God revealed the truth with such specificity that the only way to get around it is by simply rejecting.
It is rather obvious. Psalm 51:5 .
You didn't answer my question, twin.spin. What sin is a baby born with? What is he guilty of? What lie have you ever in your life heard a baby tell?
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The choice is simple .... believe it as the truth or or reject it.
Or understand it as it was meant to be understood.
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That's the only other plausable explanation isn't. Either one is conceived a sinner or conceiving is a sin.
And since you reject the being conceived a sinner....then I suppose if you're going to want to give it your 100%,
(with forgiveness based on total abandonment of sin), then you'd better not have baby or attempt to have one.
I said nothing about conceiving a child being a sin, twin.spin. Don't put words in my mouth. If you want to quote me, then use the quote function. Don't even attempt to paraphrase me, because you mess up every time you try. I actually have conceived and given birth twice. I have never believed it to be sinful to have a child. It's a wonderful experience.
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I don't question a revelation simply because it doesn't make me feel good or I don't understand it.
And most of the time, you don't use your God-given common sense and intelligence either. I do. For instance, I know that babies don't talk. If you think they do, fine.
You didn't answer my question, twin.spin. What sin is a baby born with? What is he guilty of? What lie have you ever in your life heard a baby tell?
Yes I have.
"in sin did my mother conceive me." .... God Psalm 51:5
"flesh gives birth to flesh"..... Jesus John 3:6
original sin.
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Originally Posted by Katzpur
I said nothing about conceiving a child being a sin, twin.spin. Don't put words in my mouth. If you want to quote me, then use the quote function. Don't even attempt to paraphrase me, because you mess up every time you try. I actually have conceived and given birth twice. I have never believed it to be sinful to have a child. It's a wonderful experience.
The only two applicable understandings of psalm 51:5 are:
"in sin did my mother conceive me." .... Psalm 51:5
conceived a sinner
conceiving is a sin
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Originally Posted by Katzpur
And most of the time, you don't use your God-given common sense and intelligence either. I do. For instance, I know that babies don't talk. If you think they do, fine.
Most of the time, you like to duck around God's revelations when it's not convenient. If it doesn't fit your intelligence...you deem it not the truth.
It is rather obvious, Psalm 51:5 . Original sin was meant to be understood.
Yes I have.
"in sin did my mother conceive me." .... God Psalm 51:5
"flesh gives birth to flesh"..... Jesus John 3:6
original sin.
Oh, I see. He's born guilty of the sin he didn't commit, the sin someone else committed, the one Jesus Christ's Atonement apparently missed.
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The only two applicable understandings of psalm 51:5 are:
"in sin did my mother conceive me." .... Psalm 51:5
conceived a sinner
conceiving is a sin
No twin.spin. Those are the only two interpretations you are willing to consider. I believe, as I said before, that any woman of child-bearing age has sinned and is therefore a sinner. She is conceiving as a sinner, but there is nowhere that the scriptures suggesting that conceiving is sinful (unless, of course, the woman is not married).
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Most of the time, you like to duck around God's revelations when it's not convenient. If it doesn't fit your intelligence...you deem it not the truth.
It is rather obvious, Psalm 51:5 . Original sin is as it was meant to be understood.
I would never "duck around" something I believed to be true. That would be stupid, and I'm not stupid. On the other hand, I believe I am every bit as qualified to interpret the scriptures as you are.
I believe that Jesus Christ atoned for all sins committed by people who repented of them -- including Adam. I don't believe God punishes babies for something one man who lived 6000 years ago did. That has nothing to do with ducking around anything. It has everything to do with my belief that God is fair and just, and holding a newborn baby accountable for something he didn't do is not fair and just.
Since you claim it's not unreasonable to give 100% and God does the rest...
and forgiveness is based on on the total abandonment of sin....
Please quote me so that I can see where I said what you are claiming I said.
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