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I don't think you realize your own switch there.. Ilene was talking about GOD doing his OWN will.... You are talking about others doing Gods will...
Don't you agree that God, in order to be all-powerful, MUST do what he wills?
In the lords prayer, Jesus says... "Thy will be done." Did he mean, "IF thy will be done?"
God created man with a free will . Your thinking is that God controls everything . God created everything and he can destroy everything. Who are we but filthy rags to him .Yet he send his son to take away our sins to be like him. There was none righteous , not one. God's righteousness cloths us when we accept Jesus.
God's will is done as he speaks his word. God above all here in this life he gave us a free will , he did not make us robots . God wants us to love him with the free will he gave us. Anything less is NOT LOVE.
We pray that thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven. We are far from heaven. Look around you. Do you see evil? Are there crimes and murders. Is this God's will? Wake up to the truth.
God will set his kingdom up where there is no tears anymore. That is what we are looking toward seeing a just God and a Good God.. many turn to idols here in this world. Be not a part of this world not love the things of this world. Be ye holy as I am Holy . We strive to be like God. We love God because of his light and his righteousness . His wisdom is better than rubies.
The bible is very clear of no such thing ... What the bible is clear about is the fact that God is the one who gives us repentance and faith so that we come to believe in Christ. We do not choose him, he chooses us ... He pours his spirit out on us and his spirit works within us to produce the fruits of the spirit so that we desire and do the things that please him.
It has nothing to do with the natural volition of humans ... It has everything to do with the timing of Gods plan to reconcile all things to himself in Christ. Paul is more than clear about predestination and that it is God who hardens peoples hearts and who gives us repentance and faith. Christ is the great physician, and he will heal the entire creation of sin and death, and God will one day be all and in all ... No one will remain separated from him for ever, because he devises the means so that all those who are outcast will not remain banished from him for ever(2 Samuel 14:14).
Hell is a pagan myth interpolated into the scriptures by the roman catholic church through subtle translation errors throughout the texts of both the old and new testaments. This began when Jerome translated the letters of the new testament from Greek into latin, and the error grew greater as the letters where much later translated into old English.
The original meaning of the word hell in the old English and germanic is "to cover"(as in hel-met, to cover the head) and refers to the grave where all people go according to ancient Nordic Mythology, though the translators of the KJV misused the word in order to interpolate the false doctrine of eternal torture even further into the scriptures.
God's plan is the factor of what is predestined. God's plan or salvation is the factor that is predestined. All else ,whether they accept Christ or reject Christ is NOT PREDESTINED
No, predestination is opposite of what you believe. It is that which is written , the word that predestines what is done when all is finished. It is what God requires that is planned in advance in his word of what we are to do to be saved which makes it predestined. It is not that one is chosen and another is not. Jesus said Whosoever believeth in me shall have ever lasting life. The whosoever is a call to all people. Not all people respond so they are predestined to what God required, , so they do not make heaven.
The plan of God through Jesus and the path to salvation was planned - or predestined . It is up to the individual to make that choice. If God can draw many to him . It is what is in the makeup of the soul that one decides. God can harden the heart of those who refuse to move to him. He gives them up because they are rejecting the Holy Spirit. Those whose heart is opened to him will God draw to him. Because God is there always and different people respond differently to the spirit of God. It is there choice . It is only the plan of God and path to savation that was predestined.
It is gradually disappearing from the translations but remains approximately 6' deep, which is sufficient for it's purpose.
Corruption of the body usually occurs within 3 days, and the worms do not die until your flesh is utterly consumed.
I am seriously considering that of being reduced to ashes by fire; and tossed into the ocean for good measure.
God created man with a free will . Your thinking is that God controls everything . God created everything and he can destroy everything. Who are we but filthy rags to him .
NO!
We are NOT filthy rags to Him!
He created us. You may not realize this, but you insult the Creator when you say that we are filthy rags to Him.
Our actions are "filthy rags" when our actions are NOT motivated by love.
If you help someone, not out of love and compassion for that person, but with a selfish desire for a "future reward", THAT is "filthy rags". God knows your heart, knows your motives.
WE ourselves are NOT, I repeat, NOT filthy rags! But our actions can be deemed as such, depending on the condition and motivation of our heart.
We are beautiful beings created in the image of God. If we are filthy rags, then so is our Creator.
He created us. You may not realize this, but you insult the Creator when you say that we are filthy rags to Him.
Our actions are "filthy rags" when our actions are NOT motivated by love.
If you help someone, not out of love and compassion for that person, but with a selfish desire for a "future reward", THAT is "filthy rags". God knows your heart, knows your motives.
WE ourselves are NOT, I repeat, NOT filthy rags! But our actions can be deemed as such, depending on the condition and motivation of our heart.
We are beautiful beings created in the image of God. If we are filthy rags, then so is our Creator.
God created man with a free will . Your thinking is that God controls everything . God created everything and he can destroy everything. Who are we but filthy rags to him .Yet he send his son to take away our sins to be like him. There was none righteous , not one. God's righteousness cloths us when we accept Jesus.
So God leveled the playing field. No one is righteous. Not you, not me, not mother Theresa, not hitler... All his creation. Yet you kinda contradict your belief when you believe some who are not righteous go to "heaven" and some to "hell," don't you? It's confusing because if that's the case then the only difference between those in "heaven" and those in "hell" is whether or not that person DID something. That contradicts scripture:
2 Timothy 1:9 who has saved us and called us to a holy life--not because of anything we have done but because of his own purpose and grace. This grace was given us in Christ Jesus before the beginning of time
Romans 11:6 And if by grace, then it is no longer by works; if it were, grace would no longer be grace.
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God's will is done as he speaks his word. God above all here in this life he gave us a free will , he did not make us robots . God wants us to love him with the free will he gave us. Anything less is NOT LOVE.
Is love currency to God? God is Love, according to scripture... He gives Of himself that we may love others... I don't know why a god would NEED others to love him...especially if he IS love.
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We pray that thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven. We are far from heaven. Look around you. Do you see evil? Are there crimes and murders. Is this God's will? Wake up to the truth.
it wasn't a request from Jesus in the lords prayer, it was an affirmation. Look at the wording. Our Father, which art in heaven,
hallowed be thy name.
Thy Kingdom come,
thy will be done,
in earth as it is in heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread.
And forgive us our trespasses,
as we forgive them that trespass against us.
And lead us not into temptation,
but deliver us from evil.
For thine is the kingdom,
the power, and the glory,
for ever and ever.
Amen.
The portion in bold is the salutation, not an "if" statement or a request. It affirms that Gods will IS done on earth just like it is in heaven.
Is God's will done on earth? Guess so!
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God will set his kingdom up where there is no tears anymore. That is what we are looking toward seeing a just God and a Good God.. many turn to idols here in this world. Be not a part of this world not love the things of this world. Be ye holy as I am Holy . We strive to be like God. We love God because of his light and his righteousness . His wisdom is better than rubies.
IF his wisdom is indeed better that rubies... Shouldn't you have faith that his will IS done on earth as it is in heaven?
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Reason: Spelling n grammar...
He created us. You may not realize this, but you insult the Creator when you say that we are filthy rags to Him.
Our actions are "filthy rags" when our actions are NOT motivated by love.
If you help someone, not out of love and compassion for that person, but with a selfish desire for a "future reward", THAT is "filthy rags". God knows your heart, knows your motives.
WE ourselves are NOT, I repeat, NOT filthy rags! But our actions can be deemed as such, depending on the condition and motivation of our heart.
We are beautiful beings created in the image of God. If we are filthy rags, then so is our Creator.
God's plan is the factor of what is predestined. God's plan or salvation is the factor that is predestined. All else ,whether they accept Christ or reject Christ is NOT PREDESTINED
No, predestination is opposite of what you believe. It is that which is written , the word that predestines what is done when all is finished. It is what God requires that is planned in advance in his word of what we are to do to be saved which makes it predestined. It is not that one is chosen and another is not. Jesus said Whosoever believeth in me shall have ever lasting life. The whosoever is a call to all people. Not all people respond so they are predestined to what God required, , so they do not make heaven.
The plan of God through Jesus and the path to salvation was planned - or predestined . It is up to the individual to make that choice. If God can draw many to him . It is what is in the makeup of the soul that one decides. God can harden the heart of those who refuse to move to him. He gives them up because they are rejecting the Holy Spirit. Those whose heart is opened to him will God draw to him. Because God is there always and different people respond differently to the spirit of God. It is there choice . It is only the plan of God and path to savation that was predestined.
"We are not predestinated to sin, that's choice; but we are predestined to holiness."
However, we can enter a higher place, even while we yet live.
He created us. You may not realize this, but you insult the Creator when you say that we are filthy rags to Him.
Our actions are "filthy rags" when our actions are NOT motivated by love.
If you help someone, not out of love and compassion for that person, but with a selfish desire for a "future reward", THAT is "filthy rags". God knows your heart, knows your motives.
WE ourselves are NOT, I repeat, NOT filthy rags! But our actions can be deemed as such, depending on the condition and motivation of our heart.
We are beautiful beings created in the image of God. If we are filthy rags, then so is our Creator.
We are NOT filthy rags.
Peace,
sparrow
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Originally Posted by herefornow
Yes! Thank you, sparrow.
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Originally Posted by katjonjj
So God leveled the playing field. No one is righteous. Not you, not me, not mother Theresa, not hitler... All his creation. Yet you kinda contradict your belief when you believe some who are not righteous go to "heaven" and some to "hell," don't you? It's confusing because if that's the case then the only difference between those in "heaven" and those in "hell" is whether or not that person DID something. That contradicts scripture:
2 Timothy 1:9 who has saved us and called us to a holy life--not because of anything we have done but because of his own purpose and grace. This grace was given us in Christ Jesus before the beginning of time
Romans 11:6 And if by grace, then it is no longer by works; if it were, grace would no longer be grace.
Is love currency to God? God is Love, according to scripture... He gives Of himself that we may love others... I don't know why a god would NEED others to love him...especially if he IS love.
it wasn't a request from Jesus in the lords prayer, it was an affirmation. Look at the wording. Our Father, which art in heaven,
hallowed be thy name.
Thy Kingdom come,
thy will be done,
in earth as it is in heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread.
And forgive us our trespasses,
as we forgive them that trespass against us.
And lead us not into temptation,
but deliver us from evil.
For thine is the kingdom,
the power, and the glory,
for ever and ever.
Amen.
The portion in bold is the salutation, not an "if" statement or a request. It affirms that Gods will IS done on earth just like it is in heaven.
Is God's will done on earth? Guess so!
IF his wisdom is indeed better that rubies... Shouldn't you have faith that his will IS done on earth as it is in heaven?
I can't rep any of you . . . but I love you all. Preach the word of Christ my sisters . . . it is so infrequently heard in Biblean churches!!
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