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Ilene I really dont know why I beleive eternal seperation. I guess I just cannot grasp ET or UR and being seperated from God for eternity would be logical.
But it's not logical Robin, when you look at it from that perspective. What's logical is that Jesus Christ died for ALL and ALL is who will be saved. Because it's what God desires. And what He desires, He gets. You believe in ES by default because you know ET is not right, and you haven't really given UR much of a chance. I would suggest more study of UR, just on your own at your own pace. Not that you haven't already, just a suggestion.
Agreed. And I've run from God, cursed him, ignored him, and to no avail... Look at me now!
Jeremiah 23:24 Can anyone hide in secret places so that I cannot see him?" declares the LORD. "Do not I fill heaven and earth?" declares the LORD.
Hebrews 4:13 Nothing in all creation is hidden from God's sight. Everything is uncovered and laid bare before the eyes of him to whom we must give account.
Job 34:22 There is no dark place, no deep shadow, where evildoers can hide.
David asked the same questions...
Psalm 139:7 Where can I go from your Spirit? Where can I flee from your presence?
True........especially when in Him we live and move and have our being. The only seperation i see in the scriptures is the alienated mind,caused by belief in a ministry of condemnation(2 Cor 3:9)
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Agreed. And I've run from God, cursed him, ignored him, and to no avail... Look at me now!
Jeremiah 23:24 Can anyone hide in secret places so that I cannot see him?" declares the LORD. "Do not I fill heaven and earth?" declares the LORD.
Hebrews 4:13 Nothing in all creation is hidden from God's sight. Everything is uncovered and laid bare before the eyes of him to whom we must give account.
Job 34:22 There is no dark place, no deep shadow, where evildoers can hide.
David asked the same questions...
Psalm 139:7 Where can I go from your Spirit? Where can I flee from your presence?
True........especially when in Him we live and move and have our being. The only seperation i see in the scriptures is the alienated mind,caused by belief in a ministry of condemnation(2 Cor 3:9)
The carnal mind is under condemnation ... so it is only natural it condemns others.
But it's not logical Robin, when you look at it from that perspective. What's logical is that Jesus Christ died for ALL and ALL is who will be saved. Because it's what God desires. And what He desires, He gets. You believe in ES by default because you know ET is not right, and you haven't really given UR much of a chance. I would suggest more study of UR, just on your own at your own pace. Not that you haven't already, just a suggestion.
Yes Christ died for all but not all will accept His offer. Yes God gets what He desires but He doesnt force us to comply. Christ died for all who will accept and God desires for all who accept to be with Him while all who do not accept get their wish, eternal seperation. You see I still believe God grants our wishes even if He doesnt agree with them and many prove by their choices that they want no part of the one true God and they follow after their own images of god. How do we reconcile this without forcing ones will on others. Heaven would be hell to some while hell would be heaven to the same.
I know you ave done so before but please share the verses which convinced you.
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