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I just wanted to do a poll showing how many Christians believe that the word of God, Christ our lord, will fail to accomplish Gods desire to save all people. Do you believe Christ will fail, yes or no?
I didn't answer this because I think it's a leading question, in that I think it assumes that Christ was given a mission by God to save every last person who has ever lived, or will live, on earth. He was not. His mission was to save believers (only), who by faith receive the gift of salvation.
I didn't answer this because I think it's a leading question, in that I think it assumes that Christ was given a mission by God to save every last person who has ever lived, or will live, on earth. He was not. His mission was to save believers (only), who by faith receive the gift of salvation.
Bud
Exactly. I did not bother voting either for that reason.
John 3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
I didn't answer this because I think it's a leading question, in that I think it assumes that Christ was given a mission by God to save every last person who has ever lived, or will live, on earth. He was not. His mission was to save believers (only), who by faith receive the gift of salvation. Bud
"God will have all men to be saved" 1Tim. 2:4
I believe that.
God is Savior of all men, especially believers (1 Tim 4:9-11)
(see why "especially" is inclusive, and cannot mean "only") Especially Those That Believe
I didn't answer this because I think it's a leading question, in that I think it assumes that Christ was given a mission by God to save every last person who has ever lived, or will live, on earth. He was not. His mission was to save believers (only), who by faith receive the gift of salvation.
Bud
Actually, believers don't need to be saved. Right? It's unbelievers, what believers once were, that need salvation. Once you believe there really is no point in being saved again. Is there?
Besides... For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.
Paul said he was given mercy due to his ignorance and unbelief.
His mission was to save believers (only), who by faith receive the gift of salvation.>>>BudinAK
What you said does not explain the following verse: Rom 11:32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.
There speaking of the Jewish nation, yet applicable to us all.
Deemed lost!
Then the word says: Rom 9:30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.
Have attained?
If the gentiles were lost, compared to the Jewish nation, and then having the4 Jewish nation declared in unbelief?
Who does that leave out, that God needs to declare as lost?
Ifr by the hand of God, declaration of "all are lost" or in unbelief, suppose ye think God has the responsibility to save all?
I didn't answer this because I think it's a leading question, in that I think it assumes that Christ was given a mission by God to save every last person who has ever lived, or will live, on earth. He was not. His mission was to save believers (only), who by faith receive the gift of salvation.
Bud
Thanks for the explanation, but of course i believe you are very wrong, and that what you believe is not even remotely scriptural.
The scriptures plainly state that God is the savior of all people, most of all believers, and that god will have all people to be saved, and that God sent Christ to accomplish everything he desire and whatever pleases him. So either Christ will accomplish the mission for which God sent him into the world, to save the world and reconcile all things to God, as the scriptures plainly teach as well, or he will ultimately fail. Unfortunately you are wearing "the traditions of men" shaded glasses and cant see anything other than what you have been programmed to believe all your life.
But who knows, maybe your right and the scriptures i referred to are wrong.
Thanks for the explanation, but of course i believe you are very wrong, and that what you believe is not even remotely scriptural.
The scriptures plainly state that God is the savior of all people, most of all believers, and that god will have all people to be saved, and that God sent Christ to accomplish everything he desire and whatever pleases him. So either Christ will accomplish the mission for which God sent him into the world, to save the world and reconcile all things to God, as the scriptures plainly teach as well, or he will ultimately fail. Unfortunately you are wearing "the traditions of men" shaded glasses and cant see anything other than what you have been programmed to believe all your life.
But who knows, maybe your right and the scriptures i referred to are wrong.
You never know ....
I think that most Christians live out their life and die believing what they were taught by their parents, Sunday school teachers, and pastors.
The Jesuit, Francis Xavier said,
"Give me a child until he is seven and I will give you the man."
Thanks for the explanation, but of course i believe you are very wrong, and that what you believe is not even remotely scriptural.
The scriptures plainly state that God is the savior of all people, most of all believers, and that god will have all people to be saved, and that God sent Christ to accomplish everything he desire and whatever pleases him. So either Christ will accomplish the mission for which God sent him into the world, to save the world and reconcile all things to God, as the scriptures plainly teach as well, or he will ultimately fail. Unfortunately you are wearing "the traditions of men" shaded glasses and cant see anything other than what you have been programmed to believe all your life.
But who knows, maybe your right and the scriptures i referred to are wrong.
You never know ....
Where does it say God sent Jesus here to accomplish everything He desires?
John 3:16 explains quite clearly why God sent Jesus here:
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
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Especially is inclusive
The traditions of men
