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God doesn't tell us to love our enemies just to practice being like a monk. He is serious. Either we walk in righteousness, and God is also righteous; or else you just make up righteousness as you go, based on your situation.
So, you think God would consider you rigteous if you released Ted Bundy? You might as well kill his next victim yourself and save him the trouble. No, releasing him is definetly NOT just or righteous.
Read Romans 13 from the Bible if you don't believe it when I quote of for you.
Did God really say unbelievers will be damned to hell for eternity .....yes.
‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels."
Or stated in this way:
“I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in me will live, even though he dies; and whoever lives and believes in me will never die. Do you believe this?”
Those are the words of man written by man. They are no more the words of a god that what I'm writing now.
So, you think God would consider you rigteous if you released Ted Bundy? You might as well kill his next victim yourself and save him the trouble. No, releasing him is definetly NOT just or righteous.
Read Romans 13 from the Bible if you don't believe it when I quote of for you.
Unbelievable....
My point is that we are called to do good. ET is not good, and that is why it is not of God, because God is good.
That is in keeping with the topic of this thread.
As for Ted Bundy, start a thread and I might participate and try to help clarify your confusion.
All death will be abolished, including the second death
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Originally Posted by twin.spin
‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels."
Or stated in this way: “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in me will live, even though he dies; and whoever lives and believes in me will never die. Do you believe this?”
The sinner's death will be eonian (age-during).
All death will be abolished, including the second death.
Everyone who is cast into the lake of fire which is the second death will be saved out of it.
Greek scholar William Barclay wrote concerning kolasis aionion (age-during corrective chastisement) in Matthew 25:46
"The Greek word for punishment is kolasis. There is no instance in Greek secular literature where kolasis does not mean remedial punishment. It is a simple fact that in Greek kolasis always means remedial punishment. God's punishment is always for man's cure."
See what other Greek scholars say about it too.
AN ANALYTICAL STUDY OF WORDS Chapter Eleven
Fifteen literally translated (not interpretively translated) Bibles that reveal what God will do with the sinners in Matthew 25:46
Concordant Literal, Young’s literal, Wilson’s Emphatic Diaglott, Rotherham’s Emphasized, Scarlett’s, J.W. Hanson’s New Covenant, Twentieth Century, Ferrar Fenton, The Western New Testament, Weymouth’s (unedited), Clementson’s, The New Testament of our Lord and Savior Jesus Anointed, The Restoration of Original Sacred Name Bible, Bullinger’s Companion Bible margins, Jonathan Mitchell’s translation (2010).
Regarding the meaning of aionios, many Greek scholars agree with John Wesley Hanson. AIÓN – AIÓNIOS AIN -- AINIOS
The sinner's death will be eonian (age-during).
All death will be abolished, including the second death.
Everyone who is cast into the lake of fire which is the second death will be saved out of it.
Greek scholar William Barclay wrote concerning kolasis aionion (age-during corrective chastisement) in Matthew 25:46
"The Greek word for punishment is kolasis. There is no instance in Greek secular literature where kolasis does not mean remedial punishment. It is a simple fact that in Greek kolasis always means remedial punishment. God's punishment is always for man's cure."
See what other Greek scholars say about it too.
AN ANALYTICAL STUDY OF WORDS Chapter Eleven
Fifteen literally translated (not interpretively translated) Bibles that reveal what God will do with the sinners in Matthew 25:46
Concordant Literal, Young’s literal, Wilson’s Emphatic Diaglott, Rotherham’s Emphasized, Scarlett’s, J.W. Hanson’s New Covenant, Twentieth Century, Ferrar Fenton, The Western New Testament, Weymouth’s (unedited), Clementson’s, The New Testament of our Lord and Savior Jesus Anointed, The Restoration of Original Sacred Name Bible, Bullinger’s Companion Bible margins, Jonathan Mitchell’s translation (2010).
Regarding the meaning of aionios, many Greek scholars agree with John Wesley Hanson. AIÓN – AIÓNIOS AIN -- AINIOS
Everyone who is cast into the lake of fire which is the second death will be saved out of it.
Greek scholar William Barclay wrote concerning kolasis aionion (age-during corrective chastisement) in Matthew 25:46
"The Greek word for punishment is kolasis. There is no instance in Greek secular literature where kolasis does not mean remedial punishment. It is a simple fact that in Greek kolasis always means remedial punishment. God's punishment is always for man's cure."
See what other Greek scholars say about it too.
AN ANALYTICAL STUDY OF WORDS Chapter Eleven
Fifteen literally translated (not interpretively translated) Bibles that reveal what God will do with the sinners in Matthew 25:46
Concordant Literal, Young’s literal, Wilson’s Emphatic Diaglott, Rotherham’s Emphasized, Scarlett’s, J.W. Hanson’s New Covenant, Twentieth Century, Ferrar Fenton, The Western New Testament, Weymouth’s (unedited), Clementson’s, The New Testament of our Lord and Savior Jesus Anointed, The Restoration of Original Sacred Name Bible, Bullinger’s Companion Bible margins, Jonathan Mitchell’s translation (2010).
Regarding the meaning of aionios, many Greek scholars agree with John Wesley Hanson. AIÓN – AIÓNIOS AIN -- AINIOS
No, they will not be saved out of the lake of fire. You don't understand God's nature, or His plan.
There is no such thing as purgatory. The unbeliever owes God Perfect Righteousness which he can never come up with. Having rejected Christ as Savior and therefore not having received the imputed Righteousness of God, the unbeliever must remain eternally separated from God. The unbeliever who dies never having received Christ as Savior, has rejected the suffering of Jesus Christ, and can therefore never be made right with God by his own suffering in the lake of fire.
The punishment in the lake of fire is not remedial. It is retributive as shown in 2 Thes 1:8.
The word Kolasis is used only twice in the New Testament. Matthew 25:46 for the unbeliever, and 1 John 4:18 for the believer.
The word Timoria is used only once in the New Testament. Hebrews 10:29. It is used for the believer.
The believer does not receive greater punishment than the unbeliever. But the writer was not thinking of the lake of fire. Again, it is a believer who is in view here. There are many forms of divine retribution which can befall a man which are worse than immediate death.
As for the word aionios, it has a range of meanings up to and including eternity.
I do not wish for you to have another nervous breakdown, and I am sorry that you suffered for 12 years though one. But you need to face reality. Those who reject Christ as Savior, have only eternity in the lake of fire in their future.
My point is that we are called to do good. ET is not good, and that is why it is not of God, because God is good.
As for Ted Bundy, start a thread and I might participate and try to help clarify your confusion.
I was hoping for a straight YES/NO, but I guess you have already answered with a YES. I don't blame you for trying to distance yourself from your earlier comments because at this point even you see the silliness of your position. I guess it was not a complete waste of time after all.
Too bad that Satan has his Greek "scholar" dogs that vomit
As it always does, it comes down to which Greek scholars you choose to rely on.
GOD’S PLAN FOR THE AGES OF TIME
While the righteous are enjoying life eonian, the unrighteous will experience kolasis eonian which means age-during corrective chastisement. When the corrective chastisement has been achieved in everyone who needs it, then both life eonian and chastisement eonian will come to an end and eternity will continue with everyone saved from everything from which they need to be saved, including their stubborn will.
A snippet from
GOD’S PLAN FOR THE AGES OF TIME
"During the present wicked eon (Gal.1:4), Sin reigns, Satan who is said to be “the god of this eon” (2 Cor.4:4) blinds and deceives mankind, and death swallows up the race (1 Cor.15:22). But notwithstanding, God is over all and is in supreme control. He is the eonian God. In due time He will deliver the entire creation and bring good out of all the suffering mankind is called upon to endure (Rom.8;18-23)."
I do not wish for you to have another nervous breakdown, and I am sorry that you suffered for 12 years though one. But you need to face reality. Those who reject Christ as Savior, have only eternity in the lake of fire in their future.
‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels."
Why are people cursed, sent to hell? Because they whoever lives then dies and does not believe will die .... not live.
“I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in me will live, even though he dies; and whoever lives and believes in me will never die. Do you believe this?”
“My Greek scholars are more reliable than your Greek scholars"
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Originally Posted by Mike555
Those who reject Christ as Savior, have only eternity in the lake of fire in their future.
Everyone will choose to believe whatever they are convinced is the truth about what the Bible teaches. I post on forums to give people an alternate point of view. Had I known that one existed I never would have had a horrific twelve year nervous breakdown 1966-78 over my inability to love a god who would allow anyone actually prefer to suffer forever rather than eventually reach out for the salvation that God has provided. I'm 73 years old now.
THE FOLLOWING HAS, AND ALWAYS WILL BE TRUE REGARDING THE DEBATE ABOUT ETERNAL TORMENT
The argument about “eternal hell” nearly always gets bogged down with the words, “My Greek scholars are more reliable than your Greek scholars,” and the result is nearly always a stalemate.
My Greek scholars are Louis Abbott and the many Greek scholars he quotes in chapters three and twelve.
AN ANALYTICAL STUDY OF WORDS An Analytical Study of Words
If you think it glorifies God more to let some of His creatures suffer forever, or annihilate them, then you keep believing that.
But if you think it glorifies God more to eventually meet everyone on the level of their greatest and deepest need which is a change in their stubborn will, then know that there is plenty of evidence in the Bible that is exactly what God is like.
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All death will be abolished, including the second death
