Christians - Do you believe this to be true about the Bible? (Torah, paradise)
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Please then, tell me when was your Quran written and by whom?
Barbara, It is not my Quran, I do not believe in it at all - the point is that they can make unjustified claims, like yours, just as easy.
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And I would prefer that you not use such a tone with me... I have not been rude and called you names, and I would appreciate some sense of civility from you as well.....
No names - saying that you sound like something is a bit different and given the tactics you are using it is appropriate - not uncivilized.
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Quoting scripture is exactly what Jesus did to refute those opposed to the truth. If you do not accept it fine... but do not call me a fool.
Jesus and those he was speaking to assumed, as you do, that this is a fact and that it is authoritative. You have done nothing but claim this to be the case without any justification - not even an attempt to justify it. As and example see your last point below - vvvvv
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The Holy Bible was written under inspiration from Jehovah God as early as 1513 B.C.E.
(Psalm 83:18) That people may know that you, whose name is Jehovah, You alone are the Most High over all the earth.
So regardless of who backs other books, or manuscripts or writings from man, the creator is the final authority.
(Joshua 24:15) . . .But as for me and my household, we shall serve Jehovah.”
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I think I see your point. The Bible is inspired because it says it is, right?
@Shilo1~And so because you are unbelieving, you ASSUME nothing from the bible is factual... Your loss. I bid you good day, as you drift off....
(Hebrews 11:1) Faith is the assured expectation of things hoped for, the evident demonstration of realities though not beheld.
(2 Timothy 3:16) All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness,
(Hebrews 11:1) Faith is the assured expectation of things hoped for, the evident demonstration of realities though not beheld.
You see I do NOT need you to confirm me... Jehovah is my judge. Your arguments are tired and wasteful. You will never see clearly unless and until you cease to be quite so haughty in your attitude and your heart.
(James 4:10) 10*Humble yourselves in the eyes of Jehovah, and he will exalt YOU.
(1 Peter 5:6) 6*Humble yourselves, therefore, under the mighty hand of God, that he may exalt YOU in due time;
You see it IS my God I listen to .... not you.
(2 Corinthians 4:3-6) 3*If, now, the good news we declare is in fact veiled, it is veiled among those who are perishing, 4*among whom the god of this system of things has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, that the illumination of the glorious good news about the Christ, who is the image of God, might not shine through. 5*For we are preaching, not ourselves, but Christ Jesus as Lord, and ourselves as YOUR slaves for Jesus’ sake. 6*For God is he who said: “Let the light shine out of darkness,” and he has shone on our hearts to illuminate [them] with the glorious knowledge of God by the face of Christ.
Barbara, you do realize that the Bible and the New World Translation of the Bible constitute two different religions, right?
Just checking.
Actually the New World Translation is translated directly from the Hebrew, and Greek Scriptures. Many of other faiths use the New World Translation because it is in a language of today such as those others that are in modern language... We used King James Bibles for many, many years... I cross reference my research with many other translations.... And always have a KJV handy for those who prefer it's use.
The Quran claims to use the Bible but in doing so denies just about everything the Bible says. So look to the Bible and authenticate that. It clearly exposes the Quran as a fraud, but lets not get into that debate.
Regarding the Bible, what one needs to ultimately do is go to the originals. The problem with the Watchtower's New World Translation, if you do research you will find that the text has been changed in certain areas - especially areas that suggest the transcendence/divinity of Jesus Christ.
John 3
King James Version
And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
Moreover, no man has ascended into heaven but he that descended from heaven, the Son of man.
"which is in heaven" is not included in the New World Translation which suggests the transcendent nature of the Messiah. This gets into Textual Criticism however, which I find to be a very important area to research.
The "Word of God" is in the originals. Once one establishes who Jesus Christ is, than they can establish the integrity of design of the Scriptures. Telling events prior to them happening is the trademark fingerprint from God that it is indeed his Word. So understanding the prophecies that have come to past are important at authenticating the Word as such. No other "Holy" Book has this authenticity.
What comprises the Canon? There are good people that believe certain books like the Book of Enoch are inspired. I believe the Holy Spirit is the ultimate discerner of what is from God, and I do believe he's been working in God's servants to get this in the hands of English readers with the authorized King James Version being the best translation.
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