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well its sort of on a downward curve. first it was ok to badmouth them and even mouth off to them. then it was ok to beat them up and take their money.
death sentence is a bit harsh but i think we need to take a look at how we treat our parents.
And by the way, 'must be put to death' - teleutató is in the Present Imperative Active. It's a command.
The New Greek English Interlinear New Testament UBS 4th edition, Nestle-Aland 26th edition translates it the last part of Matthew 15:4 as 'by death let him die'.
I will not go into the proper translation of Deut. 5:17 as it is not the topic.
Your answer to my question then is 'well, it's just a poor translation'. An excuse to avoid facing the truth.
I originally posted this in post #80, and some people are still claiming 'poor translations' in an attempt to deny that Matthew 15: 4 says what it says. But the Greek is clear.
After the flood, God instituted the death penalty for murder as stated in Genesis 9:6.
Genesis 9:6 "Whoever sheds man's blood, By man his blood shall be shed, For in the image of God He made man.
Under the Mosaic Law, the penalty of capital punishment was imposed on a number of offenses.
Many people simply refuse to believe what the Bible says.
Die the death, which is just another way of saying their days would not be prolonged.
And where do you see that in scripture?
I see it in Exodus 21:17 'And he who is reviling his father or his mother is certainly put to death (YLT)
Leviticus 20:9 'If anyone curses his father or mother, he must be put to death. He has cursed his father or his mother, and his blood will be on his own head.
It means they should be put to death. That was God's law, and Jesus confirmed it.
Elijah called fire down from heaven, Jesus told 2 of his disciples they did not know what spirit they were of, for thinking such a thing. Are you saying it was justifiable to do such a thing in Elijah's day but not in Jesus' day ?.
You will never understand scripture if like the 2 disciples you lean on your own understanding .
I said nothing about Elijah or Jesus or his disciples. I answered the OP's question about what God said and can I accept it.
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I am fully aware what the topic is, and you are fully aware of the questions I'm asking you that you refrain from answering.
And I want to limit the topic of this thread to what Jesus said in Matthew 15:3-6 with reference to Exodus 20:12, 21:17 and Leviticus 20:9 . I am not asking about any other passages mentioned in the Old Testament. Please simply answer what I have asked.
Did God (who is love) command that those who speak evil of father or mother be put to death? Jesus said that He did. Can you accept that?.
This ^^^ is the OP topic. I answered Mikey with a no. I also have given the reason why I said, and put to you and him questions of my own concerning the OP topic which like I have stated you are refraining from answering, because you know what I am asking you will either reveal what is really in your heart or you will have to acknowledge your understanding of scripture is in error, not the scripture itself. So quit your silly games trying to make out I have not answered the OP or even off topic.
I answered the question in page 2 or 3. God gave that command, not me. The thread is not about me, or other posters on the board.
I originally posted this in post #80, and some people are still claiming 'poor translations' in an attempt to deny that Matthew 15: 4 says what it says. But the Greek is clear.
After the flood, God instituted the death penalty for murder as stated in Genesis 9:6.
Genesis 9:6 "Whoever sheds man's blood, By man his blood shall be shed, For in the image of God He made man.
Under the Mosaic Law, the penalty of capital punishment was imposed on a number of offenses.
Many people simply refuse to believe what the Bible says.
First you tell me not to go outside your OP scripture and because I did to show you your error you refused to answer me. Now you go outside the OP scripture.
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I see it in Exodus 21:17 'And he who is reviling his father or his mother is certainly put to death (YLT)
Leviticus 20:9 'If anyone curses his father or mother, he must be put to death. He has cursed his father or his mother, and his blood will be on his own head.
It means they should be put to death. That was God's law, and Jesus confirmed it.
it means that their day would not be prolonged Finn, it does not mean we are to kill our children because they say something bad about us.
and I was asking you for a scripture that says murder is different if done in a military fashion.
I said nothing about Elijah or Jesus or his disciples. I answered the OP's question about what God said and can I accept it.
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So Ham it up,did Jesus deny scripture by telling James and John they knew not what spirit they were of for thinking(yes just thinking) of having fire called down from heaven upon those who did not receive Jesus' message ?.
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