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("The wages of sin is death", not eternal torment as you claim.
The penalty for every single person was paid in 3 hours but the individual will have to pay it for eternity?
The penalty for ALL sin was paid once for all to God's complete satisfaction. But not really, because the sin of not believing it wasn't covered by that perfect blood sacrifice?)
Please, explain to me how any of what you're saying conquers sin and death when sin and death will still be existing for eternity for the majority of humanity?
And, too, HOW do you "pay" for sin exactly? Does someone else being punished for sin change the consequences that sin has caused to others or to oneself? How does it do that, Mike? And if it doesn't, how can you say that sin has really been dealt with?
("The wages of sin is death", not eternal torment as you claim.
The penalty for every single person was paid in 3 hours but the individual will have to pay it for eternity?
The penalty for ALL sin was paid once for all to God's complete satisfaction. But not really, because the sin of not believing it wasn't covered by that perfect blood sacrifice?)
See John 3, especially verses 16, 18, and 36.
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Okay, Please, explain to me how any of what you're saying conquers sin and death when sin and death will still be existing for eternity for the majority of humanity?
The cross overcomes the penalty of sin, for all who believe. Romans 3:22
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Originally Posted by Pleroo
And, too, HOW do you "pay" for sin exactly? Does someone else being punished for sin change the consequences that sin has caused to others or to oneself? How does it do that, Mike? And if it doesn't, how can you say that sin has really been dealt with?
It is no theory. It is the revealed Word of God. Understand this. The penalty for sin is spiritual death. Spiritual death means separation from God. It means no relationship with God. We are all born physically alive but spiritually dead. We are born outside of any relationship with God. The only way a relationship with God can be entered into is through Jesus Christ. When a person dies physically without coming to Christ for salvation, spiritual death continues forever. First in 'torments' in Hades, and then after the Millennium, and having been judged at the great white throne, in the lake of fire forever. This is the second death.
Because Jesus already paid the penalty for sin, the unbeliever does not go to hell because of his sins. He goes to hell because of the fact that since he didn't place his faith in Christ, he was never imputed or credited with God's own perfect righteousness. To have an eternal relationship with God one must have a righteousness which is as perfect as God's righteousness. And the only way to have a righteousness which is acceptable to God is for God to credit you with His own perfect righteousness. And God only imputes His righteousness to those who believe on Christ as the Scriptures plainly say.
Because the unbeliever dies with only his imperfect relative righteousness, and also because he has never been regenerated, he can never have an eternal relationship with God and will remain in a state of separation from God forever. Isaiah 64:6 says that our righteous deeds are as filthy rags to God. There is no amount of suffering in hell which can transform the unbeliever's righteousness into a righteousness acceptable to God.
Because Jesus was born without sin and never sinned personally, He was qualified to go to the Cross and bear the sins of the world. And because Jesus is also God, His spiritual death as a man had infinite value. Therefore He was able to pay for all the sins in human history in that period of time from 12 noon to 3 PM, the last three hours in which He was on the Cross.
Although the unbeliever is said to die in his sins (John 8:24), he cannot be judged for those sins because they were already delt with on the Cross. The work of Christ on the Cross makes salvation a reality for those who come to Him for salvation. But those who refuse to come to Christ will be forever separated from Him in the lake of fire wherever that is located.
Jesus purchased our freedom from the slavemarket of sin. He opened the door, the shackles of sin have been broken. We are free. But even though Jesus opened the door, you can still refuse to go through the door and sit in the slave market forever if you so choose. To walk through the door requires an act of non-meritorious volition on your part in response to the gospel message. That is why the Scriptures say, 'BELIEVE.' Salvation is free for the taking but it must be received through faith in Christ. And that means recognizing that He paid for your sins and that you are depending on Him and Him alone for your eternal salvation. Those who do not come to Christ by going through the door which He opened stay in the slave market of sin even though their freedom has been purchased.
Physical death will not exist in the eternal future because both believer and unbeliever will have been resurrected. But the second death which is the lake of fire is forever.
And again, the unbeliever does not pay for his sins. Jesus paid for our sins, believer and unbeliever alike as the Scriptures say. What He endured on the Cross may never be known. What Christ experienced when the Father had to forsake Him (that was His spiritual death) cannot be said.
Mark 15:34 At the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, "ELOI, ELOI, LAMA SABACHTHANI?" which is translated, "MY GOD, MY GOD, WHY HAVE YOU FORSAKEN ME?"
There is no evidence that she embraced Liberalism theology ... so there was no reason for her to accused Jesus of sanctioning the satisfaction by God to demand an atonement sacrifice.
And God said:
Isaiah 53:7 He was oppressed and afflicted, yet he did not open his mouth; he was led like a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before its shearers is silent, so he did not open his mouth.
("The wages of sin is death", not eternal torment as you claim.
The penalty for every single person was paid in 3 hours but the individual will have to pay it for eternity?
The penalty for ALL sin was paid once for all to God's complete satisfaction. But not really, because the sin of not believing it wasn't covered by that perfect blood sacrifice?)
Please, explain to me how any of what you're saying conquers sin and death when sin and death will still be existing for eternity for the majority of humanity?
And, too, HOW do you "pay" for sin exactly? Does someone else being punished for sin change the consequences that sin has caused to others or to oneself? How does it do that, Mike? And if it doesn't, how can you say that sin has really been dealt with?
There is no evidence that she embraced Liberalism theology ... so there was no reason for her to accused Jesus of sanctioning the satisfaction by God to demand an atonement sacrifice.
And God said:
Isaiah 53:7 He was oppressed and afflicted, yet he did not open his mouth; he was led like a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before its shearers is silent, so he did not open his mouth.
She was saved according to Jesus before the lamb was led like a lamb to the slaughter.
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