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Old 05-24-2013, 10:35 AM
 
Location: arizona ... most of the time
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She was saved according to Jesus before the lamb was led like a lamb to the slaughter.
Just as John stated " Behold the Lamb of God" ... the understanding was already there to what the OT atonement sacrifices required by God was pointing to.

So the same faith, that a person had that a substitute sacrifice was required for the payment of sin in the OT, is the same faith the NT believer has about Jesus as the atonement sacrifice.
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Old 05-24-2013, 10:55 AM
 
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Default Liberalism theology summed up .... the no atonement - atonement

It is the "no atonement reconciliation by redemption" of God's promise to provide a Messiah to teach us and display true righteousness . . . even at the cost of an inevitable scourging and crucifixion of His only Son by our barbarous and savage ancestors.
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Old 05-24-2013, 01:10 PM
 
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Just as John stated " Behold the Lamb of God" ... the understanding was already there to what the OT atonement sacrifices required by God was pointing to.

So the same faith, that a person had that a substitute sacrifice was required for the payment of sin in the OT, is the same faith the NT believer has about Jesus as the atonement sacrifice.
Jesus never said anything of the sought, he simply told her, her faith saved her. You need to rethink what being saved and salvation is all about.
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Old 05-24-2013, 02:01 PM
 
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Jesus never said anything of the sought, he simply told her, her faith saved her. You need to rethink what being saved and salvation is all about.
Apparently Jesus had more of the mind of Christ and he saw in her heart that she understood what the purpose of the atonement was .... so there was no need to say it.

Remember .... Truth is still truth regardless of where it comes from.
Liberalism has no doctrine for a real atonement. Its understanding of the atonement, simply stated, is this:

There is no enmity or wrath on God's part for the sinner. God's love is supreme. All that is necessary is that the sinner come back to God and be forgiven.

Whether Jesus was God or not doesn't matter; whether he performed miracles or not doesn't matter.

The only significance of Jesus' dying on the cross was an attempt on God's part to
remove man's misconception about God; to teach him that God is not a stern
judge, but a loving Father.
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Old 05-24-2013, 06:21 PM
 
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Jesus never said anything of the sought, he simply told her, her faith saved her. You need to rethink what being saved and salvation is all about.
Camps your grammar sucks
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Old 05-24-2013, 06:27 PM
 
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Camps your grammar sucks
Well,yes, but your thinking doesn't.
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Old 05-25-2013, 04:47 AM
 
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Apparently Jesus had more of the mind of Christ and he saw in her heart that she understood what the purpose of the atonement was .... so there was no need to say it.

Remember .... Truth is still truth regardless of where it comes from.
Liberalism has no doctrine for a real atonement. Its understanding of the atonement, simply stated, is this:

There is no enmity or wrath on God's part for the sinner. God's love is supreme. All that is necessary is that the sinner come back to God and be forgiven.

Whether Jesus was God or not doesn't matter; whether he performed miracles or not doesn't matter.

The only significance of Jesus' dying on the cross was an attempt on God's part to
remove man's misconception about God; to teach him that God is not a stern
judge, but a loving Father.
No.she saw into the heart of God and understood the heart of God. Her faith in what she saw saved her.
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Old 05-25-2013, 04:54 AM
 
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Just as John stated " Behold the Lamb of God" ... the understanding was already there to what the OT atonement sacrifices required by God was pointing to.

So the same faith, that a person had that a substitute sacrifice was required for the payment of sin in the OT, is the same faith the NT believer has about Jesus as the atonement sacrifice.
Your doctrine is all over the show. If I told you I could be saved under the old system, you would be gnashing your teeth at me, here you are suggesting that when Jesus said to the woman "Go in peace your faith has saved you", was saved under the old system.

Please do not even try and tell us that she had faith in a lamb being led to the slaughter, no one at that time understood that.
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Old 05-25-2013, 07:10 AM
 
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No.she saw into the heart of God and understood the heart of God. Her faith in what she saw saved her.
Oh really .... humanity capable of seeing into the heart of God and understanding it?
would you care to expose more of your idolatrous self ?

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Old 05-25-2013, 07:28 AM
 
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Your doctrine is all over the show. If I told you I could be saved under the old system, you would be gnashing your teeth at me, here you are suggesting that when Jesus said to the woman "Go in peace your faith has saved you", was saved under the old system.

Please do not even try and tell us that she had faith in a lamb being led to the slaughter, no one at that time understood that.

You really are befuddled aren't you ...... make up your mind. If she had the ability to see \ understand into the heart of God himself, then this was nothing for her to understand then.
Romans 1:17 For in the gospel the righteousness of God is revealed—a righteousness that is by faith from first to last,just as it is written: “The righteous will live by faith.

and where did God have it written .... not in liberalism's theology go to place, the heart, but in scriptures from the old system Habakkuk 2:4
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