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The Pharisees like you claimed they had the truth, just like those of you who claim? to be bible believers, it was obvious they didn't.
obvious to who ... people who quotes the Bible and then justify refuting it?
More clanging cymbals of the Liberalism theology .... the no atonement - atonement
obvious to who ... people who quotes the Bible and then justify refuting it?
More clanging cymbals of the Liberalism theology .... the no atonement - atonement
Refuting your understanding of it. I am a 100% bible believer too .
Of the the three false teachings of the atonement, Liberalism's version is the most dangerous.
As was stated in a different OP, Liberalism theology was summed up in this way by a theologian when in part he wrote :
Liberalism has no doctrine for a real atonement. Its understanding of the atonement, simply stated, is this:
There is no enmity or wrath on God's part for the sinner. God's love is supreme.
All that is necessary is that the sinner come back to God and be forgiven.
Whether Jesus was God or not doesn't matter; whether he performed miracles or not doesn't matter.
The only significance of Jesus' dying on the cross was an attempt on God's part to
remove man's misconception about God; to teach him that God is not a stern
judge, but a loving Father.
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Originally Posted by twin.spin
Without the sacrifice there is no reconciliation.
Hebrews 7:26-27
Such a high priest truly meets our need—one who is holy, blameless, pure, set apart from
sinners, exalted above the heavens. Unlike the other high priests, he does not need to offer
sacrifices day after day, first for his own sins, and then for the sins of the people. He sacrificed for their sins once for all when he offered himself.
Hebrews 9:24, 26
For Christ did not enter a sanctuary made with human hands that was only a copy of the true
one; he entered heaven itself, now to appear for us in God’s presence. .... But he has appeared once for all at the culmination of the ages to do away with sin by the sacrifice of himself.
Ephesians 5:2 Christ loved us and gave himself up for us as a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God.
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Originally Posted by twin.spin
John 1:29
“Look, theLambofGod, who takes away the sin of the world! "
There was a reason why John called Jesus "the lamb of God" since God previously required a perfect sacrifice of people for the substitute payment of sin. Now instead of people providing the perfect atonement, God himself provides the atonement required as the substitute payment of sin.
So just as always has been, God has deemed that it is by faith in what God provides as the atoning sacrifice is the substitute for sin. The OT atonement sacrifice substitute was to point to the NT atonement sacrifice substitute ... Jesus
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Originally Posted by twin.spin
Just as John stated " Behold the Lamb of God" ... the understanding was already there to what the OT atonement sacrifices required by God was pointing to.
So the same faith, that a person had that a substitute sacrifice was required for the payment of sin in the OT, is the same faith the NT believer has about Jesus as the atonement sacrifice.
Amen, Twin !
Awesome post especially in discerning this theology in Liberalism's just another bag of tricks of Satan deception !! It has always been that way with Satan in trying to keep Christ off the Cross, denying His Atonement for the sin of this world.
I'm so thankful when God gives His people the understanding of false teaching that tries to lead other's astray and the courage in pointing out these false teachers in their deceiving slippery words. As it teaches and encourages other's, the children of God in how to discern God's truth from the many false teachings that has just a tidbit of truth in it to try and deceive even the elect.
We truly need to be on watch, walking in the Holy Spirit allowing Him to filter at all times in what our eyes read, ears hear to spot immediately untruth out.... as the Spirit of God leads us in our learning and listening to our Lord Jesus Christ...... it helps the brethren when they may come across deception and also those who have fallen for the deception too possibly open their hearts back to God's truth.
These days we so need to draw closer to God and share with other's what God has opened to us and taught us so they too may be on the watch for the wolf in sheep clothing..... and not get caught in false theologies of the gospel of our Lord, Savior, Mighty God, Jesus Christ, amen !!
Refuting your understanding of it. I am a 100% bible believer too .
That is your choice to refute but then that is to refuse the good news of Jesus being your atonement substitute. Romans 3:25 God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement,
Hebrews 7:26-27
... He sacrificed for their sins once for all when he offered himself.
Ephesians 5:2
Christ loved us and gave himself up for us as a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God.
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Amen, Twin !
Awesome post especially in discerning this theology in Liberalism's just another bag of tricks of Satan deception !! It has always been that way with Satan in trying to keep Christ off the Cross, denying His Atonement for the sin of this world.
I'm so thankful when God gives His people the understanding of false teaching that tries to lead other's astray and the courage in pointing out these false teachers in their deceiving slippery words. As it teaches and encourages other's, the children of God in how to discern God's truth from the many false teachings that has just a tidbit of truth in it to try and deceive even the elect.
We truly need to be on watch, walking in the Holy Spirit allowing Him to filter at all times in what our eyes read, ears hear to spot immediately untruth out.... as the Spirit of God leads us in our learning and listening to our Lord Jesus Christ...... it helps the brethren when they may come across deception and also those who have fallen for the deception too possibly open their hearts back to God's truth.
These days we so need to draw closer to God and share with other's what God has opened to us and taught us so they too may be on the watch for the wolf in sheep clothing..... and not get caught in false theologies !!
Cyber Munchkin
Praise be to God that by grace the message of the Good News of Jesus being our atonement is not foolish but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.
That is your choice to refute but then that is to refuse the good newsof Jesus being your atonement substitute. Romans 3:25 God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement,
Hebrews 7:26-27
... He sacrificed for their sins once for all when he offered himself. Ephesians 5:2
Christ loved us and gave himself up for us as a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God.
Cyber Munchkin
Praise be to God that by grace the message of the Good News of Jesus being our atonement is not foolish but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.
\O/ Amen, amen..... MIGHTY is the POWER of our GOD in CHRIST JESUS OUR LORD, HALLELUJAH !!
That is your choice to refute but then that is to refuse the good news of Jesus being your atonement substitute. Romans 3:25 God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement,
Hebrews 7:26-27
... He sacrificed for their sins once for all when he offered himself.
Ephesians 5:2
Christ loved us and gave himself up for us as a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God.
Again I am refuting your understanding of the cross. You have presumed that I am a liberal that denies the cross. You believe the cross is a way out of eternal hell, scripture does not teach this. In a nutshell you and the rest who claim? To be 100% bible believers have misunderstood the cross to being forgiven by Jesus at the cross so you can go to heaven instead of eternal hell, this is a doctrine of demons.
all this bantering back and forth, as i read the posts on this subject, all i conclude is that we never read of Jesus being upset at the average joe blow. It is everytime he had scathing remarks it was to the ones who thought they hold and adhere to the teachings of the church, and the church leaders (he really ticked them off, they killed Him for it).
There is one particular verse that crossed my itty bitty mind this morn reading through this thread, and i thank God it is ALL up to Him.
Romans 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
all this bantering back and forth, as i read the posts on this subject, all i conclude is that we never read of Jesus being upset at the average joe blow. It is everytime he had scathing remarks it was to the ones who thought they hold and adhere to the teachings of the church, and the church leaders (he really ticked them off, they killed Him for it).
There is one particular verse that crossed my itty bitty mind this morn reading through this thread, and i thank God it is ALL up to Him.
Romans 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
blessings ya'll
I agree.
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