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Someone in another thread said that "prophetess" is not appropriate, and that is correct; the proper term is "prophet" regardless of gender. There is no "rank" in the body of Christ, there are just functions which different people perform. No there are no gender distinctions and Paul (if he wrote those things at all, which I doubt) was just expressing a cultural attitude, as he did about long hair on men.
That's not true. Paul gave a reason, and it had nothing to do with culture.
1 Tim. 2
12 But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet. 13 For it was Adam who was first created, and then Eve. 14 And it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression.
Someone in another thread said that "prophetess" is not appropriate, and that is correct; the proper term is "prophet" regardless of gender. There is no "rank" in the body of Christ, there are just functions which different people perform. No there are no gender distinctions and Paul (if he wrote those things at all, which I doubt) was just expressing a cultural attitude, as he did about long hair on men.
Sounds like He ranks positions upon Earth according to authority and position. They are called spiritual GIFTS.
1 Corinthians 12:28
And remember--the Apostles are considered of the highest rank--authority, right after Jesus. Otherwise all the people of the Bible would carry the same weight and credibility.
That's not true. Paul gave a reason, and it had nothing to do with culture.
1 Tim. 2
12 But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet. 13 For it was Adam who was first created, and then Eve. 14 And it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression.
PAUL said--God says different in too many places. He never stops man from leaning on His own understanding. Too many places contradict Paul, places where he contradicts himself--probably where God is correcting Him and he's not listening due to the ways of his culture.
PAUL said--God says different in too many places. He never stops man from leaning on His own understanding. Too many places contradict Paul, places where he contradicts himself--probably where God is correcting Him and he's not listening due to the ways of his culture.
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Here's what Peter said about Paul's writings:
2 Peter 3
14 Therefore, beloved, since you look for these things, be diligent to be found by Him in peace, spotless and blameless, 15 and regard the patience of our Lord as salvation; just as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given him, wrote to you, 16 as also in all his letters, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which the untaught and unstable distort, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction. 17 You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, be on your guard so that you are not carried away by the error of unprincipled men and fall from your own steadfastness, 18 but grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
That's not true. Paul gave a reason, and it had nothing to do with culture.
1 Tim. 2
12 But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet. 13 For it was Adam who was first created, and then Eve. 14 And it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression.
Nonsense. It was cultural bias based on the huge disparity in status between men and women (chattel). . . . involving access to education, literacy, knowledge of scriptures, etc., etc. This chauvinistic attitude based on the culture of our ignorant ancient ancestors has to stop. It feeds the egos of men but is entirely anti-Christ and anti-God.
Nonsense. It was cultural bias based on the huge disparity in status between men and women (chattel). . . . involving access to education, literacy, knowledge of scriptures, etc., etc. This chauvinistic attitude based on the culture of our ignorant ancient ancestors has to stop. It feeds the egos of men but is entirely anti-Christ and anti-God.
You can call Scripture nonsense if you want. Doesn't change things.
In Romans 16:1, Paul begins a long series of greetings to people he knows in or near Rome. The first person he mentions is a woman, Phoebe, “who is a diakonon of the church which is at Cenchrea.” This Greek word used by Paul to refer to Phoebe is a familiar word in the Greek world. It’s the word we translate as "deacon."
Nonsense. It was cultural bias based on the huge disparity in status between men and women (chattel). . . . involving access to education, literacy, knowledge of scriptures, etc., etc. This chauvinistic attitude based on the culture of our ignorant ancient ancestors has to stop. It feeds the egos of men but is entirely anti-Christ and anti-God.
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Originally Posted by jimmiej
You can call Scripture nonsense if you want. Doesn't change things.
The scriptures are not the problem . . . ignorant interpretation of them is. Knowledge of the culture, audience and status differences among men and women is essential to interpreting the intent and import of the verses for the original audience. Lack of such knowledge (ignorance) is what has resulted in the absurd and inappropriate distortions we have when applied to a modern egalitarian culture. Once slaves were similarly status-deprived and the scriptures were improperly used to maintain it. It needs to stop. Christ accepts no such distinctions. God is no respecter of persons. God IS love and we are all loved equally and treated equally. Men have no greater status than women before God. We WILL each reap whatever we sow . . . and we each have Christ as our advocate.
The scriptures are not the problem . . . ignorant interpretation of them is. Knowledge of the culture, audience and status differences among men and women is essential to interpreting the intent and import of the verses for the original audience. Lack of such knowledge (ignorance) is what has resulted in the absurd and inappropriate distortions we have when applied to a modern egalitarian culture. Once slaves were similarly status-deprived and the scriptures were improperly used to maintain it. It needs to stop. Christ accepts no such distinctions. God is no respecter of persons. God IS love and we are all loved equally and treated equally. Men have no greater status than women before God. We WILL each reap whatever we sow . . . and we each have Christ as our advocate.
The reason given had nothing to do with culture.
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