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Old 01-04-2014, 02:24 AM
 
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That is a hate site.

Peter was always the one consulted to give the last word when there was a disagreement and they all followed Peter's conclusions on things. Jesus said it was to be that way and you can see it was in the bible.

Why go to hate sites to find out about the Catholic church? Go to Catholic Answers they have search options for any question you want to ask.
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Old 01-04-2014, 05:29 AM
 
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Wow. So you not only know how God thinks you know who the Holy Spirit guides.

I continue to be amazed at what you think you know.
You think that God errs?
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Old 01-04-2014, 05:31 AM
 
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Vizio:


Anything that involves MANKIND has error. That is the nature of being human.


Jesus did not write the NT. God did not write the Bible either. These books were written by men and have errors. And the CC also has errors because the Church is made of people.

The Bible is not infallible Vizio. The Bible is a guide for Christianity and some parts are actually obsolete. That does not mean God was at fault. The errors were made by men.

The CC teaches the best it can and has made errors which have been corrected. The Pope may be the successor of Peter, but do not forget------Peter made a lot of errors as well. Nevertheless, Jesus picked Peter to be the first leader of the Church founded by Jesus.
How do we REALLY know that Jesus picked Peter? You say the Bible has errors. According to you, we can't depend on the RCC either. So, really...we can't depend on anything the RCC says or does.
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Old 01-04-2014, 05:49 AM
 
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That is a hate site.

Peter was always the one consulted to give the last word when there was a disagreement and they all followed Peter's conclusions on things. Jesus said it was to be that way and you can see it was in the bible.
Then why did James have the final say?

Paul refered to Peter as one of 3 who "seemed to be pillars". Note that Peter is not in charge.

Gal 2:9 And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.

And even Peter claims Pauls writing is scripture.

Why did Jesus choose Paul to reveal the "Mystery" to along with most of the scriptures we call the New Testament? Why did Paul have to correct Peter?

You see this idea that Peter is in charge is based on a few events and is dis-proven by the totality of scripture.

And let's remember that at one point Peter agreed to only go to the Jews so he obviously never lead a gentile congregation.

We only need scripture to disprove this man-made doctrine that Peter was in charge. And there is never anyone else called to replace the original 12 Apostles after Mathias. Paul is the Apostle to the Gentiles so if anyone was ever over the church of today it would have to be Paul.
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Old 01-04-2014, 07:08 AM
 
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How do we REALLY know that Jesus picked Peter? You say the Bible has errors. According to you, we can't depend on the RCC either. So, really...we can't depend on anything the RCC says or does.
Depend on you! Be a good Christian and live like Jesus did. Everything else is religion. It is not that hard Vizio. Jesus message was rather logical and timeless. The other stuff is not really that important. Paul was a man with serious issues, don't follow him.
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Old 01-04-2014, 07:11 AM
 
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Then why did James have the final say?

Paul refered to Peter as one of 3 who "seemed to be pillars". Note that Peter is not in charge.

Gal 2:9 And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.

And even Peter claims Pauls writing is scripture.

Why did Jesus choose Paul to reveal the "Mystery" to along with most of the scriptures we call the New Testament? Why did Paul have to correct Peter?

You see this idea that Peter is in charge is based on a few events and is dis-proven by the totality of scripture.

And let's remember that at one point Peter agreed to only go to the Jews so he obviously never lead a gentile congregation.

We only need scripture to disprove this man-made doctrine that Peter was in charge. And there is never anyone else called to replace the original 12 Apostles after Mathias. Paul is the Apostle to the Gentiles so if anyone was ever over the church of today it would have to be Paul.
Peter was the main man when Jesus was on Earth. What happens afterwards is moot because Jesus had already selected Peter. I am glad James made a comeback, but he was late.
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Old 01-04-2014, 07:43 AM
 
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Peter was the main man when Jesus was on Earth. What happens afterwards is moot because Jesus had already selected Peter. I am glad James made a comeback, but he was late.
Maybe Jesus should have told the rest of the church?

Of course, since you don't believe the Bible, it's a moot point.
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Old 01-04-2014, 08:20 AM
 
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Maybe Jesus should have told the rest of the church?

Of course, since you don't believe the Bible, it's a moot point.

The Bible is historic, but not infallible. The Bible is just a collection of books and has errors.
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Old 01-04-2014, 08:55 AM
 
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Maybe Jesus should have told the rest of the church?

Of course, since you don't believe the Bible, it's a moot point.
And of course what Jesus did with Paul totally destroys the idea that Peter was leading the church. Just didn't happen!
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Old 01-04-2014, 09:52 AM
 
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And of course what Jesus did with Paul totally destroys the idea that Peter was leading the church. Just didn't happen!
discussed here:
Was James the Real Leader of the Early Church? | Catholic Answers
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