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Can anyone explain why they hold to Divine Inspiration and Inerrancy or if not why they would even trust in the OT to speak ‘the Truth’ when things, such as below, are the case:
Joshua 8:30-35
Its placement in the book seems suspect. The LXX and DSS have it placed differently. Why would Joshua stop the military campaigns in order to travel 70 miles from Ai to Mount Ebal?
The MT makes no sense geographically and militarily. The divine command and strategy was stopped in order to perform this act. The MT probably reflects a later redaction for theological purposes – mainly to ameliorate the sin of Achan.
The DSS has this section between 5:1 and 5:2 – which makes more sense geographically and militarily.
The LXX has it after 9:2.
Jeremiah
Jeremiah is radically different between the LXX and MT.
The LXX is about 1/8 shorter than the MT (which constitutes hundreds of verses), its order of the chapters is different, and the material within the chapters is different.
MT is ordered as such:
1:1-25:13; 25:14-46:5; 46:6-51:64, and Ch.52
LXX is ordered as such:
1:1-25:13a; 46:1-51:35; 25:13b-31:44?; and Ch.52
Many of the Hebrew texts at Qumran agree with the LXX against MT. We know that the NT writers used and preferred the LXX and ¾ of its OT quotes are from the LXX not the MT.
Job
The LXX is 1/6 smaller than the MT and includes an ending not extant in MT. There are also additions -the two major ones are 2:9a-e and 42:17b-e.
Ester
Half of the verses found in the LXX are not found in MT.
Deuteronomy vs. Exodus
An interesting theological controversy in Deut. is one that surrounds the issue of the Divine Council and the mention of other real gods called elohim. Other areas in Deut. have been clearly ‘washed’ cleaned of this polytheism by later scribes (32:8).
This one is not as apparent but none the less informative when combined with the other redactions.
Exodus 21:1-6 mentions ha-elohim (the gods/god) yet Deuteronomy lacks this aspect of the divine law.
This probably reflects the controversy over the above mentioned Divine Council were the later redactors saw ha-elohim as too polytheistic and not singular. In other words, if the scribes actually thought this to be singular why remove it from Deuteronomy? For that matter since some try to relegate this to human judges, as they do the other passages that speak of the gods, why remove it if that was the common understanding?
This removal was probably done during the Divided Monarchy when Israel was struggling to rid itself of idolatry. This is obviously adapting the Torah for a later context – a context that clearly post-dates Moses – if he ever did exist to begin with.
So which are the correct inspired versions that correspond to the actual events if these events actually did take place? If the MT is not to be trusted how are most modern translations that are based off of the MT to be trusted? As such how does one have such a glorified confidence in these books as being the products of a god called YHWH?
The bible isn't inerrant; it contains the edits, typo's and stories written years after they occurred. If the bible was perfect and inerrant as some believe, man would also have to be perfect to read it and understand that it is perfect.
The bible isn't inerrant; it contains the edits, typo's and stories written years after they occurred. If the bible was perfect and inerrant as some believe, man would also have to be perfect to read it and understand that it is perfect.
Would you say the original autographs were inerrant?
Would you say the original autographs were inerrant?
NOTHING in the hands of human beings is inerrant or infallible because humans are fallible. They are interpretations of divine inspirations received by human beings who lacked valid knowledge of reality and had primitive beliefs and barbaric superstitions about God. Their mindset was that everything was from God or of God or done by God or ordered by God and God needed to be appeased. It was a pervasive and dominant mindset of the time that colored everything they thought or wrote, period. There is no way what they wrote could be inerrant.
This forum should be called the "Attack Christianity" forum. That's all you folks come here for. Did you never consider that puts you in opposition to God. Nobody that KNOWS that the Bible is God's word and is completely reliable cares anything about your screaming and shouting and constant attacks on God and His word. And besides that, anyone who thinks they can fight God and win is only fooling themselves.
This forum should be called the "Attack Christianity" forum. That's all you folks come here for. Did you never consider that puts you in opposition to God. Nobody that KNOWS that the Bible is God's word and is completely reliable cares anything about your screaming and shouting and constant attacks on God and His word. And besides that, anyone who thinks they can fight God and win is only fooling themselves.
Amen, augiedogie !
He who justifies the wicked, and he who condemns the just, both of them alike are an abomination to the Lord. (Proverbs 17:15)
NOTHING in the hands of human beings is inerrant or infallible because humans are fallible. They are interpretations of divine inspirations received by human beings who lacked valid knowledge of reality and had primitive beliefs and barbaric superstitions about God. Their mindset was that everything was from God or of God or done by God or ordered by God and God needed to be appeased. It was a pervasive and dominant mindset of the time that colored everything they thought or wrote, period. There is no way what they wrote could be inerrant.
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Originally Posted by augiedogie
This forum should be called the "Attack Christianity" forum. That's all you folks come here for. Did you never consider that puts you in opposition to God. Nobody that KNOWS that the Bible is God's word and is completely reliable cares anything about your screaming and shouting and constant attacks on God and His word. And besides that, anyone who thinks they can fight God and win is only fooling themselves.
I am here to Defend Christianity not attack it. I am not in opposition to God. I am in opposition to thinking the Bible is God or God's word. Jesus the Christ is God's Word . . . NOT the Bible. The New Covenant says Christ abides with us as the Living Word of God. If the words "written in ink" contradict what the Holy Spirit (Comforter) guides us to that God has "written in our hearts" . . . we follow what God has "written in our hearts." (WWJT) It is the Christians who do NOT believe the New Covenant who reject Christ and the guidance in their hearts for the ancient words "written in ink." They are the ones attacking God and His Word. They believe we are like our ancient ancestors BEFORE Christ. They could NOT trust what was in their heart because God had not yet instituted the New Covenant and "written in their hearts" and they did not have the Comforter to guide them to it.
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Originally Posted by Cyber Munchkin
He who justifies the wicked, and he who condemns the just, both of them alike are an abomination to the Lord. (Proverbs 17:15)
NOTHING in the hands of human beings is inerrant or infallible because humans are fallible. They are interpretations of divine inspirations received by human beings who lacked valid knowledge of reality and had primitive beliefs and barbaric superstitions about God. Their mindset was that everything was from God or of God or done by God or ordered by God and God needed to be appeased. It was a pervasive and dominant mindset of the time that colored everything they thought or wrote, period. There is no way what they wrote could be inerrant.
Hi MysticPhd The Bible is not inerrant, but Scripture is. The Bible is not Scripture, it is a translation of Scripture. When translating from one language to another the person doing the interpretation does not know the infection and other things of the other language. God hides his word from some because as Jesus said when asked why He spoke in parables He said because it is not given for them to understand---at this time. God will reveal his words to who He chooses at the correct time. The smartest man in the world will not understand Scripture unless and until God opens his eyes to it.
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