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Here's a couple of questions that i need answering.... If we are born in sin and shapen in iniquity, first of all how can we do righteousness?., surely it is not within us and so how the hell can you be held accountable and condemned to an eternity of torment for not doing that which we do not have the ability to do ?.
It makes more sense that God did something to free us from a condition, rather than condemn us in the condition we are born in. We are with excuse if we are born into a condition that keeps us disconnected from the very source of life.
Another reason why i walked away from the unsound teachings and doctrines of men.
Please, i do not want to hear anything about choice, if being born in sin and shapen in iniquity is as bad as you make out, you could never make a quality decision in that state in the first place.
Red question - We can't on our own.
Blue question - It's a combo - there is accountability... there is also God's holiness which demands separation from all things sinful.
God did free us with the death of His Son. Now all a person needs to do is truly believe in God's work in order to have eternal life.
The freedom has not been applied (could not think of a better term) until the Holy Spirit is received - and the Holy Spirit is received upon having true faith in the gospel of the death & resurrection of Christ.
So technically - those with the Holy Spirit are free. Those without the Holy Spirit are not free.
God did it out of love for us. There was no other way to resolve the situation. Do you understand this?
I don't. Just exactly WHY was Almighty God NOT able to resolve the situation any other way????? Why does my way NOT resolve the situation more lovingly, logically and reasonably????
In God's case - His character demands separation from sin.
But you really are not addressing what i am asking. If? We are born in sin and shapen in iniquity, how just is to be punished for not doing that which we simply do not have the ability to do due to being born in sin and shapen in iniquity ?.
The freedom has not been applied (could not think of a better term) until the Holy Spirit is received - and the Holy Spirit is received upon having true faith in the gospel of the death & resurrection of Christ.
So technically - those with the Holy Spirit are free. Those without the Holy Spirit are not free.
But our freedom was accomplished, it is not potential(which is what you really are saying) if it is accomplished. We are either saved or not by the savior, all it takes to experience salvation is to come to the knowledge of it, now if coming to the knowledge of it is dependent upon God and not ourselves then there is only one outcome, but of cause it is very convenient for you to apply free will as bring greater than God's will. Now remember too that we are not saved from eternal hell or separation for there are no scriptures to support either.
No, there is something wrong with the jury and the judge, and your explanation does not even begin to explain how such event would invalidate the law.
Finn, you are changing the goal posts. Nothing was said about a jury making a wrong decision, the point was made that by the law Jesus was guilty even though He was not guilty of wrongdoing. The charge was blasphemy in that as a man He was making himself equal to God: guilty as charged even though it was true. He was killed for it. The Law failed to take into account the circumstances and it was wrong. Law in itself simply can't take sch circumstances into account, and as such is inadequate to judge us. You DO understand that we are NOT judged by Law, don't you?
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Is it more just to torture someone to death in order to invalidate a law?
God did it out of love for us. There was no other way to resolve the situation. Do you understand this?
Finn, saying that this is not as bad an injustice as another does not address the point that it IS an injustice. So, I assume that you are acknowledging that your explanation makes God out to be unjust?
But you really are not addressing what i am asking. If? We are born in sin and shapen in iniquity, how just is to be punished for not doing that which we simply do not have the ability to do due to being born in sin and shapen in iniquity ?.
Because your question does not entirely address the proper issue.
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