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No one is stopped from doing anything they want, some just do not want to participate.
When I got married the clerk never even showed up for the ceremony. Churches must be able to decide if they wish to support SSM or not. Government employees and business do not get to decide if they can discriminate against a class.
The indisputable fact is the LGBT community is tired of being treated as second class citizens.
The LGBT community is tired of not having the same rights you have, but according to law, have the same responsibilities you have.
The LGBT community is tired of being bullied by you on the playground pure and simple.
Just make the cake.
You say "The LGBT community is tired of being bullied" and in your very next sentence you say
"Just make the Cake". In other words, just do as you're told.
Take a look at that sentence again and then tell me who is the bully.
Just make the cake? Yessir Boss LOL
Instead of demanding and, yes, Bullying by saying "Just make the cake", how about I say to you "Just go to a bakery who has no issues with same sex marriage for your cake". Same for your flowers, photographs, and whatever else you have in your sights to target. It would be just as easy for a gay couple to use a bakery, florist, photographer, etc. that has no issue with same sex marriage, instead of targeting Christian businesses and forcing their hand, demanding they go against their Christian beliefs, close the doors on their businesses, cost them thousands of dollars - just so you can have your way and make a point that has already been made time and time again.
You say the LGBT community is tired of being bullied. Well, you know what? The Christian community is tired of being bullied too, tired of the LGBT community pushing things into our lives that we don't believe in and most definitely don't want, such as my 8 year old grandson coming home talking about his sex education, and how it's okay to be whatever gender he wants. He can even decide that for himself. He isn't even old enough to know what "gender" means! Before the LGBT community started pushing this crap down our childrens' throats at school, that little boy didn't even know what sex was, much less all the different varients of it. Innocence is such a pure and precious thing, and it's the devil's work when our young children are having that taken away from them WAY too soon. Our Lord says woe be unto those that cause harm to the little children. What? You're not a Christian? Well, sorry for you but I am so I will practice my right to free speech by saying that.
So you want to talk about the things the LBGT community is tired of? The things mentioned above are just a few of the things that the Christian community are sick and tired of. One thing I would suggest is that if the LGBT community wants to be listened to and taken seriously, they might consider things like discussing issues politely, respecting the other person's stance even if they don't agree with it, and toning down the gay pride parade so that very small children aren't forced to see not only things like dildos but dildos being used! And adult naked bodies. Can you even begin to imagine the effect of the images of those things in a small child's mind? Make an effort to make your parade something people other than the LGBT community might enjoy and possibly even participate in while trying to build a rapport between communities. Imagine how great that would be for the LGBT community, getting dissenters involved and perhaps even cause them to see your community in a different light! And while doing so you might actually find doors begin to open to people who would be willing to recognize your community and begin to show some respect for it.
Respect has to be earned, and to date I can't think of very many times that something related to the LGBT community deserved to be acknowledged or respected. From all that I have been witness to I have had to turn my head and close my eyes if I didn't want to be completely overwhelmed with pornographic behavior right out in public. Also, every action causes a reaction. If you want the LGBT community to be respected and acknowledged, find a way for the community to do something positive to earn that respect and that acknowledgement. Someone in the community needs to start passing the word that everyone needs to tone things down a little, especially in the gay pride parade. Make it a fun and appealing day that will appeal to everyone, not just the LGBT community. The image it currently projects is a big part of how people see the LGBT community overall, Bold and Vulgar, and considering all the nudity and sex during the parade, that's rightly so. If you don't like it that way then do something to change the image, improve the impression that people take home with them.
You know, I honestly believe that if Harvey Milk were alive today and witnessed the LGBTs overall behavior, he would be ashamed, and he would work tirelessly toward cleaning up the LGBT community's act.
So, those are the thoughts that ran through my head when I read your comment "Just make the cake".You were doing pretty good until you spit out that little jewel.
You say "The LGBT community is tired of being bullied" and in your very next sentence you say
"Just make the Cake". In other words, just do as you're told.
Take a look at that sentence again and then tell me who is the bully.
Just make the cake? Yessir Boss LOL
Instead of demanding and, yes, Bullying by saying "Just make the cake", how about I say to you "Just go to a bakery who has no issues with same sex marriage for your cake". Same for your flowers, photographs, and whatever else you have in your sights to target. It would be just as easy for a gay couple to use a bakery, florist, photographer, etc. that has no issue with same sex marriage, instead of targeting Christian businesses and forcing their hand, demanding they go against their Christian beliefs, close the doors on their businesses, cost them thousands of dollars - just so you can have your way and make a point that has already been made time and time again.
You say the LGBT community is tired of being bullied. Well, you know what? The Christian community is tired of being bullied too, tired of the LGBT community pushing things into our lives that we don't believe in and most definitely don't want, such as my 8 year old grandson coming home talking about his sex education, and how it's okay to be whatever gender he wants. He can even decide that for himself. He isn't even old enough to know what "gender" means! Before the LGBT community started pushing this crap down our childrens' throats at school, that little boy didn't even know what sex was, much less all the different varients of it. Innocence is such a pure and precious thing, and it's the devil's work when our young children are having that taken away from them WAY too soon. Our Lord says woe be unto those that cause harm to the little children. What? You're not a Christian? Well, sorry for you but I am so I will practice my right to free speech by saying that.
So you want to talk about the things the LBGT community is tired of? The things mentioned above are just a few of the things that the Christian community are sick and tired of. One thing I would suggest is that if the LGBT community wants to be listened to and taken seriously, they might consider things like discussing issues politely, respecting the other person's stance even if they don't agree with it, and toning down the gay pride parade so that very small children aren't forced to see not only things like dildos but dildos being used! And adult naked bodies. Can you even begin to imagine the effect of the images of those things in a small child's mind? Make an effort to make your parade something people other than the LGBT community might enjoy and possibly even participate in while trying to build a rapport between communities. Imagine how great that would be for the LGBT community, getting dissenters involved and perhaps even cause them to see your community in a different light! And while doing so you might actually find doors begin to open to people who would be willing to recognize your community and begin to show some respect for it.
Respect has to be earned, and to date I can't think of very many times that something related to the LGBT community deserved to be acknowledged or respected. From all that I have been witness to I have had to turn my head and close my eyes if I didn't want to be completely overwhelmed with pornographic behavior right out in public. Also, every action causes a reaction. If you want the LGBT community to be respected and acknowledged, find a way for the community to do something positive to earn that respect and that acknowledgement. Someone in the community needs to start passing the word that everyone needs to tone things down a little, especially in the gay pride parade. Make it a fun and appealing day that will appeal to everyone, not just the LGBT community. The image it currently projects is a big part of how people see the LGBT community overall, Bold and Vulgar, and considering all the nudity and sex during the parade, that's rightly so. If you don't like it that way then do something to change the image, improve the impression that people take home with them.
You know, I honestly believe that if Harvey Milk were alive today and witnessed the LGBTs overall behavior, he would be ashamed, and he would work tirelessly toward cleaning up the LGBT community's act.
So, those are the thoughts that ran through my head when I read your comment "Just make the cake".You were doing pretty good until you spit out that little jewel.
You say "The LGBT community is tired of being bullied" and in your very next sentence you say
"Just make the Cake". In other words, just do as you're told.
Take a look at that sentence again and then tell me who is the bully.
Just make the cake? Yessir Boss LOL
It is the demands of business when serving the PUBLIC that become your "boss." You do not get to enjoy the benefits of running a business that serves the public without following the dictates of society. Running a business is a privilege and requires that you conform to the society's rules . . . NOT your God's. You want Christians to keep "bullying" those who they think are sinners by treating them differently. Conveniently they seem to ignore all the other sins committed by their customers. There is nothing honest or decent about this desire to discriminate against Gays, period. You can pretend that your God loves you for it, but I doubt it. God wants voluntary compliance. But when you treat others differently because of their sin, you are trying to enforce and coerce them to comply. That is the exact opposite of what God desires from us. Why do you want to continue to undermine Gods wishes???
What's really unfortunate is when fundamentalists have LGBTQ children. The children suffer. It's brutal on them.
Yes, DewDropInn, and I've posted one story of a fundamentalist couple that tried to force their son to "pray the gay" away, kept him going to prayer groups that told him how evil homosexuality was, and enlisted their pastor in badgering their son.
He killed himself. Those fundamentalists--and the story claimed by EVERY SINGLE fundamentalist---is a death sentence for too many.
That fundamentalist couple admitted they were wrong and their church was wrong. They formed an online help center for other fundamentalist families struggling to make the religion they've been taught and the obvious same sex attraction of their children to reconcile. Unfortunately, their churches tell them their is no reconciliation. In other words, their god is too small for their family and their church.
Linda Robertson has made a video now, telling of their struggle.
Quote:
“What we had wished for, prayed for, hoped for — that we would not have a gay son — came true. But not at all in the way we had envisioned,” Linda Robertson says in the video for Not All Like That, a new Internet video campaign that gives LGBT-affirming Christians a platform to speak out. She closes by telling LGBT Christians, “If you're wondering whether there is a place for you in the kingdom of God, we want you to know that the kingdom of God won't be complete without you.”
http://www.advocate.com/politics/rel...ialize-gay-son
Mrs. Robertson came to a place where her faith was able to encompass those she once denounced. It reminds me of my own similar story of praying so hard for something and never anticipating the consequences of that prayer. It is humbling and life changing----and, oh, so very painful.
I'm glad I worship a God with a big heart and wide arms that, if they could encompass me, they could even encompass those fundamentalists trying to kill their children with religion.
You say "The LGBT community is tired of being bullied" and in your very next sentence you say
"Just make the Cake". In other words, just do as you're told.
Take a look at that sentence again and then tell me who is the bully.
Just make the cake? Yessir Boss LOL
Instead of demanding and, yes, Bullying by saying "Just make the cake", how about I say to you "Just go to a bakery who has no issues with same sex marriage for your cake". Same for your flowers, photographs, and whatever else you have in your sights to target. It would be just as easy for a gay couple to use a bakery, florist, photographer, etc. that has no issue with same sex marriage, instead of targeting Christian businesses and forcing their hand, demanding they go against their Christian beliefs, close the doors on their businesses, cost them thousands of dollars - just so you can have your way and make a point that has already been made time and time again.
You say the LGBT community is tired of being bullied. Well, you know what? The Christian community is tired of being bullied too, tired of the LGBT community pushing things into our lives that we don't believe in and most definitely don't want, such as my 8 year old grandson coming home talking about his sex education, and how it's okay to be whatever gender he wants. He can even decide that for himself. He isn't even old enough to know what "gender" means! Before the LGBT community started pushing this crap down our childrens' throats at school, that little boy didn't even know what sex was, much less all the different varients of it. Innocence is such a pure and precious thing, and it's the devil's work when our young children are having that taken away from them WAY too soon. Our Lord says woe be unto those that cause harm to the little children. What? You're not a Christian? Well, sorry for you but I am so I will practice my right to free speech by saying that.
So you want to talk about the things the LBGT community is tired of? The things mentioned above are just a few of the things that the Christian community are sick and tired of. One thing I would suggest is that if the LGBT community wants to be listened to and taken seriously, they might consider things like discussing issues politely, respecting the other person's stance even if they don't agree with it, and toning down the gay pride parade so that very small children aren't forced to see not only things like dildos but dildos being used! And adult naked bodies. Can you even begin to imagine the effect of the images of those things in a small child's mind? Make an effort to make your parade something people other than the LGBT community might enjoy and possibly even participate in while trying to build a rapport between communities. Imagine how great that would be for the LGBT community, getting dissenters involved and perhaps even cause them to see your community in a different light! And while doing so you might actually find doors begin to open to people who would be willing to recognize your community and begin to show some respect for it.
Respect has to be earned, and to date I can't think of very many times that something related to the LGBT community deserved to be acknowledged or respected. From all that I have been witness to I have had to turn my head and close my eyes if I didn't want to be completely overwhelmed with pornographic behavior right out in public. Also, every action causes a reaction. If you want the LGBT community to be respected and acknowledged, find a way for the community to do something positive to earn that respect and that acknowledgement. Someone in the community needs to start passing the word that everyone needs to tone things down a little, especially in the gay pride parade. Make it a fun and appealing day that will appeal to everyone, not just the LGBT community. The image it currently projects is a big part of how people see the LGBT community overall, Bold and Vulgar, and considering all the nudity and sex during the parade, that's rightly so. If you don't like it that way then do something to change the image, improve the impression that people take home with them.
You know, I honestly believe that if Harvey Milk were alive today and witnessed the LGBTs overall behavior, he would be ashamed, and he would work tirelessly toward cleaning up the LGBT community's act.
So, those are the thoughts that ran through my head when I read your comment "Just make the cake".You were doing pretty good until you spit out that little jewel.
Before you start throwing stones let a homosexual minister tell YOU about how THEY are treated. Mel White was married and had two children who were nearly grown before he and his wife split and Mel made a home with his partner, Gary. Mel's ex-wife thought enough of him that she wrote the forward to his autobiography.
The Barnes & Noble website tells about Stranger at the Gate, To be Gay and Christian in America.
Quote:
Until Christmans (sic) Eve 1991, Mel White was regarded by the leaders of the religious right as one of their most talented and productive supporters. He penned the speeches of Ollie North. He was a ghostwriter for Jerry Falwell, worked with Jim Bakker, flew in Pat Robertson's private jet, walked sandy beaches with Billy Graham. What these men didn't know was that Mel White—evangelical minister, committed Christian, family man—was gay.
What's really unfortunate is when fundamentalists have LGBTQ children. The children suffer. It's brutal on them.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wardendresden
Yes, DewDropInn, and I've posted one story of a fundamentalist couple that tried to force their son to "pray the gay" away, kept him going to prayer groups that told him how evil homosexuality was, and enlisted their pastor in badgering their son.
He killed himself. Those fundamentalists--and the story claimed by EVERY SINGLE fundamentalist---is a death sentence for too many.
That fundamentalist couple admitted they were wrong and their church was wrong. They formed an online help center for other fundamentalist families struggling to make the religion they've been taught and the obvious same sex attraction of their children to reconcile. Unfortunately, their churches tell them their is no reconciliation. In other words, their god is too small for their family and their church.<Snip>
I'm glad I worship a God with a big heart and wide arms that, if they could encompass me, they could even encompass those fundamentalists trying to kill their children with religion.
I am heartsick at the ignorance and cruelty that these fundamentalists inflict on their very own flesh and blood. I cannot imagine that God is pleased by such evil and loveless states of mind fostered by this ancient ignorance and superstition. I weep for humanity at such barbarity and cruelty.
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