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How convenient, let's just move the grave to the heavenly realm?
And continue to persecute the rest of humanity who think otherwise.
Good point ^ above ^ because who would ever picture tombs existing in heaven.
There is No death in heaven, the death problem exists here on earth. The purpose of Jesus ushering in global Peace on Earth among men of goodwill is so mankind on earth will see the return of the Genesis ' tree of life ' - Revelation 22:2
that means there will be the healing of earth's nations including 'no more death' on earth - Rev. 21:4-5. Jesus will fulfill God's promise to Abraham - Genesis 12:3; 22:18 - and enemy death will No longer exist on earth - 1st Corinthians 15:24; Isaiah 25:8.
He doesn't realize that "The Bosom of Abraham" is a Hebraic Idiom meaning a position of honor and not a physical place...
... and Jesus often taught lessons by telling us stories or illustrations.
There was No specific living historical person referenced by Jesus by saying a certain rich man, and Lazarus just being a common first name. Jesus said Nothing about the ' rich man ' living a terrible degraded life worthy of such horrific punishment.
He doesn't realize that "The Bosom of Abraham" is a Hebraic Idiom meaning a position of honor and not a physical place...
Jewish Enclycopedia
ABRAHAM'S BOSOM:
By: Kaufmann Kohler
In the New Testament and in Jewish writings a term signifying the abodeof bliss in the other world. According to IV Macc. xiii. 17, the righteous who die for their faith are received by Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in paradise (compare Matt. viii. 11: "Many shall come from the east and the west and sit down with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven"). In Ḳid. 72b, Adda bar Ahaba, a rabbi of the third century, is said to be "sitting in the bosom of Abraham," which means that he has entered paradise. With this should be compared the statement of R. Levi (Gen. R. xlviii.): "In the world to come Abraham sits at the gate of Gehenna, permitting none to enter who bears the seal of the covenant" (see Circumcision).
In the Hellenistic Testament of Abraham it is Adam, the representative of humanity, who sits at the gate of hell and paradise; the Jewish view of later times placed Abraham, the progenitor of Israel, in Adam's place. This was also the view of the New Testament writers as presented in Luke, xvi. 19-31, the story of Lazarus and the rich man. Lazarus, the beggar, died and was carried by the angels into Abraham's Bosom; the rich man died and was put into Gehenna, where he saw Lazarus in the Bosom of Abraham, full of joy, whereas he suffered great torment. Thereat he cried: "Father Abraham, have mercy on me!" and finally he asked Abraham to send Lazarus to his father's house to admonish his five brothers to lead lives characterized by repentance, in order not to meet the same fate as his own. Whereupon Abraham said: "They have the law of Moses and the teachings of the prophets; let them be mindful of these, and they will enter paradise as well as Lazarus." On Lazarus (Eliezer) and Abraham see Geiger's "Jüdische Zeitschrift für Wissenschaft und Leben," vii. 200. It is plain that Abraham is here viewed as the warden of paradise, like Michael in Jewish and St. Peter in Christian folk-lore ("Texts and Studies," v. 55, 69, Cambridge). Of Abraham as attorney pleading for Israel, R. Jonathan also speaks (Shab. 89b).
Abraham's Bosom and Paradise are synonymous terms. In His story of the rich man and Lazarus (Luke 16:19-31), Jesus, speaking to Jews, used Jewish imagery that they would understand. Thus He referred to Abraham's Bosom. When the criminal who hung on the cross next to Jesus appealed to Him, Jesus told him that he would be in Paradise with Him (Luke 23:43).
Paul stated that he had been caught up to Paradise in the third heaven (2 Cor. 12:2-4). He said he didn't know if that experience had been in the body or out of the body.
Therefore, whether referred to as Abraham's Bosom or Paradise, it is shown to be an actual place.
... and Jesus often taught lessons by telling us stories or illustrations.
There was No specific living historical person referenced by Jesus by saying a certain rich man, and Lazarus just being a common first name. Jesus said Nothing about the ' rich man ' living a terrible degraded life worthy of such horrific punishment.
You fail to understand the significance of the story. While the story itself may have been fictional, Jesus nevertheless referred to an actual place where He located Lazarus and Abraham in the story. The place that Jesus referred to as Abraham's Bosom in that story is the same place He called Paradise when He addressed the criminal on the cross next to Him.
You fail to understand the significance of the story. While the story itself may have been fictional, Jesus nevertheless referred to an actual place where He located Lazarus and Abraham in the story. The place that Jesus referred to as Abraham's Bosom in that story is the same place He called Paradise when He addressed the criminal on the cross next to Him.
And you've been told time and time ag....You know what?...I won't waste my time with you on this because you're lost...
In the New Testament and in Jewish writings a term signifying the abodeof bliss in the other world. According to IV Macc. xiii. 17, the righteous who die for their faith are received by Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in paradise (compare Matt. viii. 11: "Many shall come from the east and the west and sit down with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven"). In Ḳid. 72b, Adda bar Ahaba, a rabbi of the third century, is said to be "sitting in the bosom of Abraham," which means that he has entered paradise. With this should be compared the statement of R. Levi (Gen. R. xlviii.): "In the world to come Abraham sits at the gate of Gehenna, permitting none to enter who bears the seal of the covenant" (see Circumcision).
In the Hellenistic Testament of Abraham it is Adam, the representative of humanity, who sits at the gate of hell and paradise; the Jewish view of later times placed Abraham, the progenitor of Israel, in Adam's place. This was also the view of the New Testament writers as presented in Luke, xvi. 19-31, the story of Lazarus and the rich man. Lazarus, the beggar, died and was carried by the angels into Abraham's Bosom; the rich man died and was put into Gehenna, where he saw Lazarus in the Bosom of Abraham, full of joy, whereas he suffered great torment. Thereat he cried: "Father Abraham, have mercy on me!" and finally he asked Abraham to send Lazarus to his father's house to admonish his five brothers to lead lives characterized by repentance, in order not to meet the same fate as his own. Whereupon Abraham said: "They have the law of Moses and the teachings of the prophets; let them be mindful of these, and they will enter paradise as well as Lazarus." On Lazarus (Eliezer) and Abraham see Geiger's "Jüdische Zeitschrift für Wissenschaft und Leben," vii. 200. It is plain that Abraham is here viewed as the warden of paradise, like Michael in Jewish and St. Peter in Christian folk-lore ("Texts and Studies," v. 55, 69, Cambridge). Of Abraham as attorney pleading for Israel, R. Jonathan also speaks (Shab. 89b).
Abraham's Bosom and Paradise are synonymous terms. In His story of the rich man and Lazarus (Luke 16:19-31), Jesus, speaking to Jews, used Jewish imagery that they would understand. Thus He referred to Abraham's Bosom. When the criminal who hung on the cross next to Jesus appealed to Him, Jesus told him that he would be in Paradise with Him (Luke 23:43).
Paul stated that he had been caught up to Paradise in the third heaven (2 Cor. 12:2-4). He said he didn't know if that experience had been in the body or out of the body.
Therefore, whether referred to as Abraham's Bosom or Paradise, it is shown to be an actual place.
So, how long did it take you to find that, Mike?...
By the first century AD, the Jews had adopted the Roman custom of dinning while reclining
on couches. Guests at a feast leaned themselves on one elbow while resting the back of their
head against the chest of the guest behind them. And a guest who rested their head against
the host's bosom dined in the place of honor. The Jews called this dinning position "resting in
the "Bosom of Abraham". The phrase reminded them of their Jewish belief that someday, at the
final reward, they would all feast in honor with their father Abraham. At some point, the idiom
"Abraham's Bosom" became synonymous with "heaven", the place of final reward, the place of the eternal feast. - Bosom of Abraham
Looks like you're wrong again, Mike...
And the fact that you quote what?...But basically attempted to shut me down on the issue of how many times the KHG entered the KK...That is really pathetic of you, Mike...
It is ok for you to offer up "A" as proof text, but when anyone else does it, they're wrong, I offered a Midrash on the subject and you just blew it off...You offer up a Reform Jew's opinions because Reform is close to Christianity in it's methods and it agrees with you...
And anything worth reading on Judaism wouldn't quote Christianity as proof text...
So, how long did it take you to find that, Mike?...
By the first century AD, the Jews had adopted the Roman custom of dinning while reclining
on couches. Guests at a feast leaned themselves on one elbow while resting the back of their
head against the chest of the guest behind them. And a guest who rested their head against
the host's bosom dined in the place of honor. The Jews called this dinning position "resting in
the "Bosom of Abraham". The phrase reminded them of their Jewish belief that someday, at the
final reward, they would all feast in honor with their father Abraham. At some point, the idiom
"Abraham's Bosom" became synonymous with "heaven", the place of final reward, the place of the eternal feast. - Bosom of Abraham
Looks like you're wrong again, Mike...
And the fact that you quote what?...But basically attempted to shut me down on the issue of how many times the KHG entered the KK...That is really pathetic of you, Mike...
It is ok for you to offer up "A" as proof text, but when anyone else does it, they're wrong, I offered a Midrash on the subject and you just blew it off...You offer up a Reform Jew's opinions because Reform is close to Christianity in it's methods and it agrees with you...
And anything worth reading on Judaism wouldn't quote Christianity as proof text...
People can read what I have already posted and decide for themselves. As for you, you really need to grow up and change your attitude. Until and unless you do, you simply are a waste of peoples time. We're done here.
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